Aral Balkan

Proposal: We should add a disclaimer to the DiEM25 Facebook page (as a pinned post) stating that we are using a surveillance-based platform monopoly under protest to reach people we might not otherwise be able to reach in the short-term. This is what we do with the Better (https://better.fyi/) Facebook page (see screenshot).

For more info on our pragmatic approach to using current platforms, see: https://ar.al/notes/spyware-vs-spyware/

Thoughts?

https://d25.community/media/7SzK5sYmmxi9uPAUJwE

Jul 30, 2017 at 3:07pmWeb
Show threadMichael WilcoxJul 30, 2017

@aral It is probably better to use "DISCLAIMER: We do not support the use of Facebook, here's why: <insert link>"

Directly opposing Facebook may lead to a warning or ban depending on the users reaction.

Show threadAral BalkanJul 30, 2017

@miwilc If they're daft enough to do that and thereby stifle the illusion of freedom of speech on their platform themselves, then that would be newsworthy and make our case for us. I would love to see them muzzle a political movement for criticising them. That would be headline news.

At DiEM25, the last thing we should be worried about is pissing off Facebook, Inc. or any other corporation.

Show threadDoug WebbJul 30, 2017
@aral Have you thought of this as a transitionary measure @paulfree14 @nitram
Show threadPaul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)Jul 30, 2017
@aral @nitram @douginamug
I'm in favour of using fb and co without supporting the status quo. Which is a bit tricky.
First you'll need to understand why it's satus quo and how you're part of maintaining it.
within fb it's the content and the masses on ppl using it.
so just don't create value for fb.
means: only share informations in a way it supports ppl leaving fb and that the information isn't brining any value to fb.
Show threadPaul Free (14 Ⓐ, europe)Jul 30, 2017
@douginamug @nitram
I did that and proposed that for the yunity fb. I got kicked out of my admin rights for doing so.
(just one of a couple reason I stoped engaging with this yunity network thing...it's already toxic and haven't even scaled yet.)
Show threadDoug WebbJul 30, 2017
@paulfree14 @nitram sorry you had that experience. I've been thinking about how I identify with yunity recently. Not made my mind up yet
Show threadPaul Free (14 Ⓐ, ♥, europe)Jul 31, 2017
@aral @nitram @douginamug @paulfree14
...ah and one other thing. We don't need fb for gaining any reach. We can speak and the steets are ours.