Peter Bindels
Chris PittsA note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
John Maxwell@thirstybear Also, fire does have constructive uses. Not so LLMs.
Edward@thirstybear I think they mean machine learning, not llms
ResunaLLMs are like AN/FO explosive when compared to most uses of machine learning style fire.
"You object to me blowing up your house but I see you using a gas stove."
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear You probably use an ML system every time you spend money - every transaction is fraud scored at some point, some multiple times.
ScriptFanix💍
@TimWardCam
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
@ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear That not all "AI" is LLM and not all non-LLM "AI" is evil. Many people here get that, but there are plenty who don't.
eestileib (she/hers)@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
Oh come on, when people shit on AI they are not coming for camera autofocus.
This is a moral issue, directly linked to active genocide, and most AI true believers publicly hope for human extinction.
707Kat@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear people know that. That’s why “AI” is in quotations.
James 🌈💜Are you uh... Trying to prove the original post? 'Cause you're talking about gas stoves here.
@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear If you use the term AI in modern language, you're talking about LLMs. Part of the scam is to pretend that they are synonyms, and they've won that fight.
You're helping with the con by continuing to refer to actual useful technologies as "AI".
Scalzi meant AI in the colloquial sense of LLMs. Stop playing "well actually" games that only benefit con artists.
@jmax 💯
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear
@ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear The one that pisses me off is "organic", but I accept that that one's lost.
Nils Ballmann@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear Well actually... *scnr* in computer games I shot AI – for the past two to three decades. It's fun. And in recent games, e.g. Arc Raiders, AI behavior is actually machine learnt. Even funnier to outsmart that...
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear
Organic, chemical free. I guess it's some kind of crystallized energy.
uname -a 🇻🇦🍉@resuna @TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear if you wanted chemical free, you would need to go to the edge of the universe (travel faster than the speed of light) and jump outside faster than the expansion of the universe!
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Don't refer to any of them as AI, just because they're lying doesn't mean you have to lie too.
LeBonk@LeBonk @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
I just call them LLMs. AI is a field of research. LLMs are a spin-off, but they're not AI in the science fiction sense anymore than a Fisher Space Pen is a rocket just because it's a spin-off of the space industry.
@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
yeah but this also includes image generators and things that maybe can't be accurately described as dealing with "language" in its output
Kate Crawford's term "large-scale computing" is also good as a reminder that these things are really just the same sort of thing we've had for a while, but bigger, more resource-intensive, and more exploitative
yeah but this also includes image generators and things that maybe can't be accurately described as dealing with "language" in its output
Kate Crawford's term "large-scale computing" is also good as a reminder that these things are really just the same sort of thing we've had for a while, but bigger, more resource-intensive, and more exploitative
@resuna
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
also if you wanna be more specific, u can say something like "plausible sentence generator", "plausible image generator", "plausible code generator", or whatever
so, for example, Minnesota recently banned plausible nude generators
@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
also if you wanna be more specific, u can say something like "plausible sentence generator", "plausible image generator", "plausible code generator", or whatever
so, for example, Minnesota recently banned plausible nude generators
UkeleleEric@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
@UkeleleEric @ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear It used to be useful as a catch-all term for a loose collection of academic research on "things it's hard to program a computer to do". No more.
@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @thirstybear yeah I get that ai refers to generative ai nowadays, which is why I clarified to machine learning which does in my opinion have legitimate use cases
Siderea, Sibylla Bostoniensis@TimWardCam Lots of comments arguing that this is not what people are complaining about, so I felt I should point out whatever system my cash back for groceries card is using for fraud detection is an absolute sack of shit, excelling at both Type 1 *and* Type 2 errors.
@siderea @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear Yes, there are several suppliers of such systems in a highly competitive market and some are better than others.
The systems are largely sold on false positive rate - false positives are expensive, because they piss off your customers and you need to pay humans to man a call centre to deal with the complaints.
@yugthebug @thirstybear No. There are no commercial services that use anything except LLMs. The techbros really belive it's a universal solution.
In the modern world, AI == LLM.
In the modern world, AI == LLM.
Krutonium://@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear Weather Prediction? Valve Anti Cheat (since at least 2019)?
They're out there, they're just not screaming it into the void.
@jmax @yugthebug @thirstybear I was only refuting the claim about no commercial services using non LLM AI.
Everything else that was said is true
Just to add some lol to this: Australia's BOM are using Anthropic's LLMs to "assist" the accuracy of their predictions.
@shaknais that's... Not *really* what I was talking about lol.
Modern Weather Prediction Models are basically trained models that don't communicate in a normal language, but in weather.
You feed them historical data, current weather, and other relevant data like the date, and it predicts what weather comes next - and actually more accurately and faster than traditional weather modeling.
Yeah, I understand the modelling. I just don't understand the BOM who had all that, and decided to throw an LLM on top of it, and then got confused when their accuracy dropped off so sharply there's a Senate inquiry.
They're using Claude. Just Claude.
@shaknais Oh. Oh.
LevkaLLM ≠ AI
@LevZadov @yugthebug @thirstybear I'm sorry, but you've lost that fight. In general usage, LLM is exactly what AI means.
To paraphrase Dickens, then general usage is an ass. The general public believe a *lot* of things that aren’t true. Misidentification of key words binds us, as Brian Eno would put it, with chains of iron. Most of us, for example, believe we are “free”, and that our “liberty” is a “God” given “right.” And so forth. If we don’t know what the words mean, the concepts are beyond our understanding. Of course the map is not the territory, but without the map, we are lost.
If there is anything in the world today that humanity needs to know what it is, it’s AI. Let’s inform them by employing the correct names for the things that enslave us, all of them, not just “AI” an “LLM”. They “freedom” will mean something real. As things stand today, to paraphrase Kris Kistofferson, “freedom’s just another word."
Alex von Kitchen@yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear that's another problem with AI fans: their unwillingness to be precise with language provides cover for grifters. "AI" gets used for any technology they want to sell you, and anything useful gets called "AI" to provide cover for the garbage
Helge@thirstybear Did you know there are legit use cases for stabbing strangers and taking their money. For example, if I were to run a tattoo shop, I wou- what? You need an ambulance? I am not convinced you are losing a dangerous amount of bloo- ...sir! Please be civil! I am trying to engage you in a constructive debate!
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TripTilt /// tt@thirstybear
but why is he not on mastodon??? :)
but why is he not on mastodon??? :)
Eugen Rochko
[empty]@thirstybear Ban fire, of course!
@thirstybear Ah, thanks for sharing it. I found the quote on Bsky and shared it over there.
John Scalzi (@scalzi.com)
I don't know how to explain to the people who pop up when creatives complain about "AI" to say there are legit uses for it just how much they sound like someone saying "Well actually fire is used to make bread" when people are talking about an organized arson ring burning down their fucking houses
Mensch, Marina@thirstybear very aptly put!
Dave Neary@thirstybear I enjoyed his book about the accidental supervillain! What else of his should I read next?
Full Metal Archaeopteryx@DelilahTech @dneary Another vote for Kaiju Preservation Society here. I’m new to the author so playing catchup, but everyone mentions the Old Man’s War series.
@dneary @thirstybear The Old Man's War series is really good.
Noodlemaz@dneary @thirstybear the Old Man's War series is pretty good
Assimilateborg@thirstybear in my long quest to find AI any use, I found "one shot usage programs". So you generate them once. They do a thing by only running once, and then you never ever need them again. Especially you don't need to maintain them as you delete the program immediately after use.
That's a very specific use case. Security researchers do that.
That's a very specific use case. Security researchers do that.
JWcph, Radicalized By Decency@thirstybear - and this assunes there is, in fact, legitimate uses for AI, which very muchremains to be proven...
KichaeJWcph, Radicalized By Decency It’s been very good foor the rapid spread if disinformation!
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Andrew@jwcph @thirstybear I think that depends on if it means “machine learning as a field” or “specifically LLMs and diffusion models”
Marty Fouts@thirstybear One problem with this analogy is that the people talking about the arson ring often suggest banning fire rather than stopping arsonists from misusing it and the only way to get them to focus on the arsonists starts with reminding them that fire can be useful.