2 weeks ago, girlfriend and me took a #nighttrain from Berlin Südkreuz to Budapest (EN 40457). On paper a 12 hour ride (20:25 - 08:29), in reality we arrived after 10 in the morning, since the train just stood around in Bratislava for at least an hour ("something with the rails" according to the conductor) and we started out with a >30minutes delay from Berlin.

I requested compensation through the #ÖBB -bot (which worked very well actually) and got a reply later on: denied, system says no, you arrived with less than an hour of delay.

What I noticed during our ride, is that somewhere after Břeclav (Czechia), our train state in the DB app stopped updating and it didn't take our Bratislava-delay into account anymore.

#crossBorderRail

@quin_antarctic I also often notice the same thing where delays are not properly tracked across borders. Train operators generally only see delay within their "home" country but default to "on time" once abroad.

In my opinion, this is why the upcoming EU regulation on passenger rights should include mandatory tracking of delays across Europe in an open data manner. There cannot be effective compensation if operators pretend delays don't happen. cc @erpu @jon @stefanlindbohm @bovine3dom

@cycling_on_rails IIRC the new TSI regs do have some clauses trying to prevent such orphaned trains. so in theory it should get better within the next five years

(and delay data must be released with a real open licence as opposed to the highly commercially sensitive stuff like "where is the Speisewagen?")

@wnd might know more

@quin_antarctic @erpu @jon @stefanlindbohm

@Sobex @bovine3dom Restaurant car in German 🙃
@cycling_on_rails How is that commercially sensitive ?

@Sobex sorry it was a joke for maybe three people in the world

the new TSI regs force railways to publish train formation (which carriage is where) but only requires them to release it under "no derivatives, non-commercial" usage restrictions

which is clearly completely bonkers because what kind of unfair commercial advantage can you get from knowing where first class is? or the restaurant car?

@cycling_on_rails

@bovine3dom @cycling_on_rails Hmm, so what is considered Derivative work in this case.
(I assume the publication is done as a textual format, not a nice picture ? Right ?)

Looking up an image corresponding to the train and displaying that would be derivative ?

@Sobex honestly, no idea. i think the main thing it tells you is that the person/committee who picked that licence has never built anything in their life :)

@cycling_on_rails

@bovine3dom @cycling_on_rails Yeah ND is kind of only suitable for a finished product that can be redistributed as is. 🤦‍♂️

@Sobex not a lawyer, don't want to be a lawyer

if you've picked a licence where everyone who might actually use the data says "what the fuck does that even mean?" then i would argue that you have picked a bad licence

@cycling_on_rails