I've started asking people the thought experiment "are there more doors or wheels on planet earth?". I don't really care about their answer, but the speed at which they ask ChatGPT allows me to assess how much I care about their thoughts and opinions on other matters.
@fesshole does ATPase count as wheel?
@saxnot @fesshole does a voltage gated ion channel count as a door?
@ShiitakeToast @fesshole personally i think yes
@saxnot @ShiitakeToast @fesshole as eyes are considered “doors to one’s soul” - I still vote wheels, as there seems to be lots of soulless motherf@&!s around;)
@DMTomas @saxnot @ShiitakeToast @fesshole a door to an empty room is still a door.

@ShiitakeToast @saxnot @fesshole

Do bacterial and archaeal flagellar motors count as wheels?

@saxnot @fesshole It doesn't matter. "Are they asking follow-up questions or ChatGPT" is what's really being asked
@xethos @fesshole i am very well aware
@xethos @saxnot @fesshole But since it's clear the answer is "no", we can now move on and talk about doors and wheels!
@saxnot @fesshole Congratulations, you passed the test. You used your brain
@fesshole Does a ball bearing count as a wheel?
@DamonWakes @fesshole personally i would say yeah
@saxnot @DamonWakes @fesshole but does it count as one wheel, or one wheel per ball
@renardboy @saxnot @fesshole I'm thinking one per ball. The question is probably whether a wheel needs to be fixed to something else or whether rollers etc. count as well.

@DamonWakes @saxnot @fesshole that is indeed the question.

And then, do double wheels like those on the back of trucks count as two wheels

@renardboy @DamonWakes @saxnot @fesshole but what about wheels with ball bearings in them? Surely that’s wheel inception?
@solderandchaos @DamonWakes @saxnot @fesshole pretty sure those actually multiply for the total count
@renardboy @saxnot @DamonWakes @fesshole
One wheel per ball, plus one wheel per race.
@DamonWakes @fesshole Depends. In front of a tiny cave, it might count as a door. 😃
Cars have 4(ish) doors and 4(ish) wheels so they don't matter. Bikes have 2(ish) wheels and no doors. Houses have ~10 doors and no wheels. Nothing else has wheels or doors. There are likely not 5 times as many bikes as houses in the world. Ergo, doors.

@michael @fesshole

Toys heavily skew the balance though. Toy cars tend to have 4 wheels and no doors and dollhouses tend to have at most one door but toy cars heavily outnumber dollhouses

@gbargoud @michael @fesshole Lego is the largest manufacturer of tyres, so on that basis I'm going wheels
@sldrant They also manufacture doors! But yeah probably not nearly as many as wheels.
@Datenegassie they do, but I don't think they're the largest manufacturer of them. Wheels on the other hand is apparently true and a fun pub quiz question. Also thinking about the mou tain of lego we have in the house, wheels outnumber doors by a huge margin

@michael @fesshole
I currently sit on a chair with 5 wheels, and there are small furniture pieces in this room with a total of 18 wheels...
But also 8 cabinet doors.
I don't think it's that trivial.

...also, do mouse wheels count?

@Anke @michael @fesshole cars also have steering, spare&pretensioning wheels
@ColmDonoghue @Anke @michael @fesshole And lots of wheels inside the gearbox and diff and a fly wheel in the engine ...
@Anke @michael @fesshole Plus the two wheels inside the mouse that determine X and Y movement. (LED mouses need not apply!)
@Anke @michael @fesshole Aeroplane wheels. Some of those big ones have hundreds! (Antonov, Galaxy) Plus those low loader trucks and trailers with around a million wheels!

@NormanDunbar
Trains! freight trains especially have way more wheels than doors, and they're long!

@Anke @michael @fesshole

@NormanDunbar @Anke @michael @fesshole I assumed they were talking about exercise wheels 🤣
Edit: like this

@Anke @michael @fesshole

Most office chairs have double wheels. One each side with the support in the middle.

So 2*5 = 10 wheels.

Then there are all sorts of wheel like things in industrial processes.

@SuperMoosie @Anke @michael @fesshole but factories also have many doors. And offices have even more, if they're not open-plan.
@michael @fesshole Shopping trolleys and 18-wheeler trucks...

@michael @fesshole > Nothing else has wheels or doors.

uh you sure about it?

partly joking, partly "nothing else matters compared to the number of houses"
@michael @saxnot @fesshole let me throw in gearwheels 🤓
@suyleeva @michael @saxnot @fesshole yep, every mechanical clock and watch in the world has wheels.

@michael @fesshole

"nothing else has wheels or doors..."

what

@peachfront

🎵The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round...🎵

@michael @fesshole

@michael @fesshole

How many wheels on your office chair?

@michael @fesshole Depends if hatches are doors - in which case, cars have... er, more than 4. Ish.

@lunarloony @michael @fesshole

So... this depends on what we define as wheel, as many things inside a normal household contain wheels for mechanical purposes. Doors, otoh, are not used for half as many things. So if we go by that logic, I would say that there are many more wheels on earth than doors.

@ainmosni @michael @fesshole I suppose this is the point of the thought experiment!

@lunarloony

I thought the point was to weed out the people who offload their thinking to an unethical misinformation machine. :P

@michael @fesshole

@ainmosni @lunarloony @michael @fesshole

It is, but this is fedi. Let them have fun debating the nominal question.

This is the way.

My first thought personally was if gears count as wheels

@pseudonym @ainmosni @lunarloony @michael @fesshole Conversely do access panels and flaps count as doors? Are windows classed as doors? Hatches? Cat flaps?
@lunarloony @michael @fesshole Similarly, there are multiple interior mechanisms, including the engine, that contain multiple wheels.