kirakira🤠i do think it's funny that any company that wants a huge influx of extremely good engineers could just say "we are not doing ai" on the careers site
i actually do think this would have weight in an "owning your own productivity" sort of way if absolutely nothing else but that's indefinitely next quarter's problem, i'm sure
Benjamin Geer@kirakira I’m starting to think that a lot of companies don’t want good engineers and also don’t want to ship good products
@benjamingeer at this point it does seem like a lot of them think the "maintaining an actual business" part of running a company is some sort of arcane luck ritual for the share price rather than a cause and effect kind of thing
RyeNCode 🇨🇦@kirakira @benjamingeer
In the age of venture capitalists, it must be assumed that any organization whose business, on the surface, is to produce products or provide services, is actually in the business of wealth extraction or being a target of venture capitalists.
That is to position the organisation to be an attractive target for acquisition by VC entities so that the share holder and C-level operators get a payout and likely board positions at the next hopeful target.
Meanwhile, the remaining org is focused on maximizing the speed of wealth extraction. This will likely entail raising prices, reducing service or product quality, minimizing spending on wages and supplies. Conversely spending multiples more on external servicing than what had been spent on in house wages for the same purpose is preferred as it has a lower corporate liability despite increasing risk to clients at the same time as reducing service and product quality by introducing a disinterested layer.
In the age of venture capitalists, it must be assumed that any organization whose business, on the surface, is to produce products or provide services, is actually in the business of wealth extraction or being a target of venture capitalists.
That is to position the organisation to be an attractive target for acquisition by VC entities so that the share holder and C-level operators get a payout and likely board positions at the next hopeful target.
Meanwhile, the remaining org is focused on maximizing the speed of wealth extraction. This will likely entail raising prices, reducing service or product quality, minimizing spending on wages and supplies. Conversely spending multiples more on external servicing than what had been spent on in house wages for the same purpose is preferred as it has a lower corporate liability despite increasing risk to clients at the same time as reducing service and product quality by introducing a disinterested layer.
Mother Anarchy@benjamingeer @zzt @kirakira at this point, they don't want good employees. They want money, they want no responsibility to others, and they want full control. They don't want to make things better, or even care about making things at all. They prefer ai even when they know its shit, because it doesn't argue and barely costs anything. They want slaves, essentially.
Mazhar Hussain@ArcMother @benjamingeer @zzt @kirakira 100% agree.
They want money, but don't seem to understand;
1. Good products earn money.
2. Well-treated employees make good products.
Or maybe, they do understand, but prefer to watch the world burn.
@MazharHussain @benjamingeer @zzt @kirakira psychopaths and narcissists are frequently irrational because they don't care about reality and are mostly incapable of significant self-criticism and personal growth
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Cap Ybarra@benjamingeer @kirakira no economic incentive to do so, all money must go into the slot machine as it offers the highest theoretical potential return on investment -- is how it's been explained to me by Very Smart People
Yvan@kirakira the main problem with this is that thanks to "AI" nobody ever looks at your careers site 🙄
I am in the confusing situation where I work for an "AI company", but it isn't LLMs lol... so a) we do not do "that kinda AI" (think more like: expert systems), b) it's good to call ourselves an "AI company" because of the marketing hype right now. But it's hard to show this in a way that good dev applicants can understand at a glance.
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@sondra @yvan @kirakira Yeah, when looking at a company/job role I look at the details of the AI tech used. I'd have to be very desperate to jump on the generative AI hype train but there are kinds of machine learning with real and non-dystopian use-cases and I've been happy to apply for roles with that sort of thing
amlor@kirakira I've been adding comments to my "Don't want to work with is company" when I refuse a job on indeed.
I doubt it will help anything,
But maybe a certain level of "I don't want to use GenAI, I want to code things my self" and "GenAI tools are a pox on our world, morally, ecologically, financially, and they are not actually effective."
Ok I know that it won't work.
I doubt it will help anything,
But maybe a certain level of "I don't want to use GenAI, I want to code things my self" and "GenAI tools are a pox on our world, morally, ecologically, financially, and they are not actually effective."
Ok I know that it won't work.
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Wulfy—Speaker to the machinesMust be an expert Sir Babage's differential engine programmer!