Mastodawn

*|FNAME|*May 20

"In a rapidly changing world, Canada must become the source of our own affordable, clean, reliable power because when we master energy, we master our destiny," Carney said.

Clean reliable power? GFY, Mark!

#CDNPoli #PetroState #FossilFools

*|FNAME|*May 21

@chris
If Carney believed this we'd be rolling out renewables at 'a speed and scale not seen in generations'.

Doubling down on oil production makes us more dependent on foreign countries/adversaries since we lack the capacity to refine our own fuel products and in the time it would take to build that capacity we could already be reaping the benefits of a clean energy transition.

I'm so totally exhausted with Canadian politicians pushing this industry propaganda that more oil and gas means greater independence for Canada when the opposite is true.

James Baker 🍁May 21

@crispius @chris Burning the future for a false buck…

AlexanderVI May 21

@crispius @chris

Feels like a clear case where what is good for the people is bad for big business so the government puts its finger on the scale to protect the latter over the former.

If we were all running mini solar setups and massively investing in renewable infrastructure we'd be way more secure and less vulnerable to global shocks but then the O&G folks wouldn't have as much of a river of money coming in so that's obviously off the table.

@AlexanderVI @crispius @chris

sleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞May 21

Solar panels and EV are the best counter-force to all this BS. What Carney should be doing is making this more widespread and affordable. EVs, ebikes and electrified public transport, along with community Solar and storage will get us allot further along than another pipeline.

Thats my answer to Carney's stupid question from yesterday.

But of course that requires vision which this government seems to be severely lacking.

@crispius @chris At the barest minimum, if you're talking O&G and "independence", I want to hear "refineries" and I want to hear "Canadian oil for Canadians".

*|FNAME|*May 21

@anyGould
The absolute minimum.

I remember Elizabeth Maybcalling for this years ago.

Unfortunately the time for for this has passed as the investment required and the timelines to build are unsupportable now.

@crispius @chris The best time to build it was yesterday. Next best time is today.

@anyGould @crispius there will never be another refinery built in Canada. We seem to come up to this question every 5 or 10 years (or whenever there is an "oil crisis”).

The only viable option is to accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels to structurally reduce the amount of refined oil products we need.

@chris @crispius The catch is why - and the answer is "we sell all our oil to the US and they have refineries pre-built". Canada isn't self-sufficient for O&G.

@anyGould @crispius That’s not true at all. Canada refines 2 Million Barrels a day across 16 refineries (down from 20). This capacity has been the same from the past 25 years, we have decreased from 1.8 to 1.5 Million barrels a day in actual refined products produced.

Why?

Because demand is flatlining and the oil companies see this. There are many more solid cases to be made to close refineries than to build new ones. That's why we've closed 5 and only opened one in the past 20 years.

The good news is over the past 20 years, we've reduced crude oil imports as a whole from 1 Million barrels a day down to 500,000 today. Imports of refined products are around 350,000 barrels a day.

Yes, most of that is coming from the USA, but the goal should be to drive those imports down through reduction of use because that is the direction the world is going, not increasing capacity.

@chris @crispius But how much refined have we been importing? My understanding (which may be flawed) is that the reason the US is always pushing pipelines is that they have Texas refineries without product to refine, so why build here when they can pipe it down there and sell it back?

*|FNAME|*May 21

@anyGould
If we build it today though we’re locking ourselves into another 50 years of fossil fuel dependence—or we’ll be building another stranded asset.

That money would be better spent building renewables.

@crispius @chris OTOH, airplanes are going to need fuel for awhile yet. And refining Canadian needs internally means we're not dependent on the US and their whims. I don't care about the export, just enough to be self-sufficient. (And also renewables.)

https://www.capp.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Canadian-Refining-Industry-October-17-2025.pdf

@anyGould @crispius then we expand the refineries we have to meet the need or shift what they're making.

According to this CAPP presentation, 39% of al the oil we refine is currently going to gasoline with 6% to jet fuel.

A massive program to electrify the vehicle fleet ASAP should leave ample capacity for jet fuel production.

@chris @anyGould @crispius

sleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞May 21

Does It really make any difference where the refineries are if the oil companies sell at world prices?
Seems to me the whole push for fossil fuel expansion has nothing whatsoever to do with Canadian energy security. Its all about selling it for profit at world prices.

@sleepy62 @anyGould @crispius yup

anyGould May 22

@sleepy62 It does make a difference in "do you want to sell raw materials or finished products"? Alberta already sells at a discount because the US says our oil isn't "good enough", so why not refine it and sell finished product instead of giving it away and then buying it back?

sleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞May 22

@anyGould

Yes thats true, its a discounted rate, but its discounted from world price.

The companies that extract the oil are the same ones that refine it. So they will always go for maximum profit and will not sell it at a lower rate than they would get elsewhere.

These companies don't give a monkey about national borders.

DavidM_yeg May 21

@chris @crispius

"In a rapidly changing world, Canada must become the source of our own affordable, clean, reliable power because when we master energy, we master our destiny," Carney said.

The words are right but the conclusions so wrong. “Affordable, clean, reliable power” is available from the sun, from gravity, from wind. If we want to “master energy” we should harvest the abundant free energy all around us, *then* we will “master our destiny”

Yves Desharnais May 20

@chris if you are not following the work of energi media on YT, you should. They argue that the demand they’re building for will likely not exist.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸May 20

@yvesbd yes! I know Markham! He resides not far from me and I've had the honour to host him for one of his talks. He's one of the few super knowledgeable people in the energy industry that is actually sharing truth!

Jean-François Mezei May 20

@yvesbd @chris Years ago, both the IPCC and the UN Secretary General warned that ay further investment to develop fossil fuels was stranded and would not pay off because demand for fossil fuels would be dropping.

It is ironic that Trump, who is obsessed with continuing fossil forever to help his oil barron friends has, with his Iran war, made it even more imperative to move off fossils.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸May 20

@jfmezei @yvesbd likely the biggest positive his trump-ness has foisted uppn the world.

sleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞May 21

And why exactly "must Canada help solve it”??

Seriously..this guy..

Hamish Buchanan May 21

It's a manipulation of our better instincts for propaganda purposes; a cheap appeal to our self-image as the helpers, the good guys in the world while selling us out to the worst.

@sleepy62 @chris

Gordon J Holtslander May 21

@chris ""In a rapidly changing world, Canada must become the source of our own affordable, clean, reliable power because when we master energy, we master our destiny," Carney said.'??!

Affordable? The cost of producing gas hasn't changed, yet Canadians are paying far more due to speculation

Master of destiny? Canadian policy has done nothing to challenge the speculation. Other countries use gas export taxes, some indexed to speculation.

https://centreforfuturework.ca/2026/04/23/speculation-and-greed-explain-the-price-of-gasoline-not-supply-and-demand/

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/the-oil-industry-is-making-billions-from-the-iran-war-it-should-be-taxed/

Jones Murphy May 21

@pinhman @chris Canadians aren't paying more due to speculation. They're paying more due to Trump & Netanyahu strangling world supply, and causing folks from all over the world to swoop into Canada and drive up prices there. That ain't speculation. It's a deadly serious supply crisis and it's getting worse. For years, Canadians elected clowns like Stephen Harper to deny & accelerate global warming, and to block cheaper, cleaner energy. That scumbag Doug Ford is still in power in Ontario.

@jonesmurphy @pinhman yes!! 🙌