Kroc Camen4d ago

If only the Rust thing was entirely foreseeable, without hindsight, even.

"Google absolutely will abandon you, Microsoft will force you to upgrade, #C will never really improve, #Cpp isn’t going to get smaller or easier and #Rust is going to become one ugly custody battle as big-tech fights to control the only chance we’ve ever had to move on from C." (https://mstdn.social/@kroc/110756824075903463)

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Kroc Camen (@[email protected])

Google absolutely will abandon you, Microsoft will force you to upgrade, #C will never really improve, #Cpp isn’t going to get smaller or easier and #Rust is going to become one ugly custody battle as big-tech fights to control the only chance we’ve ever had to move on from C.

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Show threadllogiq
@Kroc I'd like to know where you get your info from. Rust is not owned by any large tech co, and never will be.
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Show threadKroc Camen4d ago
@llogiq If a company is sponsoring the Rust project, then I don’t think their employees should have commit access or be making decisions 🤷‍♂️
Show threadllogiq4d ago

@Kroc why should we preclude people from companies who support Rust development financially from developing Rust? That would severely limit our developer and/or financial support base.

As long as there is at least one independent developer on the project (such as myself, but also a lot of others), I don't fear any takeover attempt.

Show threadFiolaKais4d ago
@Kroc Why should anyone be barred from contributing to the rust project? To be honest, that sounds like fascism to me
Show threadsoc4d ago
@FiolaKais @Kroc Maybe you should have your ears checked then. 🤡
Show threadllogiq4d ago
@soc @FiolaKais @Kroc or you should have your ad hominems checked.
Show threadllogiq4d ago

@FiolaKais @Kroc To be honest, I don't see any facism angle here. Rather a misunderstanding about employment and sponsorship.

So those who decry the current state of sponsoring open source development (which includes having some open source devs employed by companies) appear to think that an individual employed by a company is automatically owned by them, no longer capable of independent thought and will only carry out the will of that company. Please correct me if I'm presenting a strawman here.

With that said, I do see a risk that a company that manages to get hold of a certain chokepoint to try a takeover (as recently happened in the ruby community if I am informed correctly). However, the #RustLang community is pretty diverse, with many companies employing and/or sponsoring folks along with people from universities, or sponsored by independent funds, and as always diverse environments are inherently less risky than monocultures.

Show threadRasmus Kaj 🎼🦀4d ago
@llogiq @FiolaKais @Kroc
Big tech companies sure are fighting to get control over Rust. Luckily, I agree with you (llogiq) that none of them are winning, and so far the "fight" may actually be beneficial to rust development, as many companies are sponsoring Rust development without getting any real power over it.
Show threadsoc4d ago

@llogiq @Kroc Last time I checked, Amazon owning most governance positions in Rust was a real problem.

Has that improved in the meantime?

Show threadllogiq4d ago

@soc @Kroc what do you mean by "owning governance positions"? If you mean "sponsor Rustaceans who hold those positions", your argument gets quite spurious.

It's always the same doomsaying with you folks. Either the project is doomed because people bringing it forward are unpaid and burning out or it's doomed because the same folks are "owned" by big tech.

Show threadsoc4d ago

@llogiq @Kroc
> what do you mean ... if you mean

You can play name games all you want, this was brought up by Rust devs themselves:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130.

> always the same doomsaying with you folks

Perhaps it's intellectually taxing to you, but have you considered that "you folks" are different people that can hold different opinions?

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