So Google really wants to kill the web and search?
@tante Haven't they already?
@tante what have they done now?

@thesdev @tante

> now completely reimagined with AI

There is nowhere far enough away for this to fuck off to

@pikesley @thesdev @tante this generations goatse
@thesdev @pikesley @tante I felt sick watching the demo where you search for info about a "new hobby" and if you stop typing for 0.1s it starts spicy autocompleting... they quite literally want us to stop thinking independently

@tante No surprise

At least webrings will be so back

@tommi @tante webrings are so peak
@tante and lead us to a global drought

@tante I am pretty sure their ideal world, and the ideal world of all these companies, is to have their chatbot intercede twice in _every_ communication.

It should change your outputs to remove nuance from your meaning, and then expand it so the entropy goes too low for a person to stand reading it. So, others must summarise with a bot. A second chance to inject what they want.

They want us to feel small if we don't use it to produce, and to feel overwhelmed if we don't use it to consume.

@tante I don't think Google wants to kill the web as such. On the contrary I suspect it really wants the web to thrive, if nothing else as a source of training data. I don't think it's figured out a way to push its AI priorities that doesn't continue to do businesses on the web serious harm.
@stshank @tante I agree. I think in time they'll come to regret this. Updating the internet will be a thankless task that brings no one any traffic, your info gets robbed safe presented as Google's own. Eventually (soon) people will stop putting anything of worth on the internet, which will become nothing but bots spiralling misinformation.

@tante

google wants to kill independent thought, making 'thinking outside the box' illegal to impossible.

#ThoughtCrime

@tante All of these AI guys want to paywall the world’s knowledge that they stole and make it impossible to access without a subscription 
 that will increase 6%/year to serve you better.
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@slyborg Its kinda sad. I spent my last 35 working years in IT so I felt like I would see the dream become reality. Now, jaded old me it just about convinced that ‘heck, I grew up without an Internet’ maybe it would be better/safer to die without it too

@slyborg @tante feel we need Internet2 where no single entity can control or force design decisions. Back to the old WWW with shitty pages that were fun, search engines that actually searched. Even the modem handshakes are better than the current web.
@tante As of now the Google search engine is broken anyway: I got zero results when I was looking for a name, or looking for stores of certain type. Other search engines pointed me to correct links.

@tante Just want to plug @kagihq

Not affiliated, but it reminds a bit of Google in 2015. Clean results, no ads, no AI unless you ask for it, you can downrank, uprank or block domains for your future results. And one of my favorites, their index is based on what gives good results, not on what makes them most money.

Downside is that it’s paid (which is why they don’t need to rank for ads). But for me it’s more than worth it.

@sstendahl @kagihq I switched to kagi a few months ago
@tante @sstendahl @kagihq I'd like to like Kagi, the results seem great but I just wish there was a subscription level without access to the AI assistant.
They say it's opt-in and that's technically true, but paying for a service that has access to it regardless bothers me.
@paul @tante @sstendahl @kagihq this is also what's keeping me from signing up for a plan. i don't want to spend money on other peoples tokens. right now im on ddg and only use kagi when i think there could be better results (I. e. as a fallback instead of google)
@paul @sstendahl @kagihq I fully support that. Would love to have a Kagi subscription without the LLM bullshit.