Soatok DreamseekerMay 19

So if I understand correctly:

The IETF TLS-WG and Last-Call mailing lists be like:

  • Concern-trolling over vague process stuff in order to drag an informational, recommended=N RFC draft into a quagmire to prevent an RFC number from being allocated? OK.
  • Citing a celebrated rapist as a supporter of your objection? OK.
  • Being said rapist and participating in the mailing list to the detriment to anyone that might feel unsafe by your presence? OK.

Me pointing out that Jacob Appelbaum is a rapist? Whoa now, that's a bridge too far. Gotta censor that!

Me replying to one of the moderators who objected to my initial reply with my "Hug?" sticker: "The worst in people".

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/ApZbYc1ZFRWqWQ4MFM2ATCKvOqc/

Or at least, Bron Gondwana, CEO of Fastmail, seems to think so.

(The other IETF moderators weren't jerks about it, but Bron was.)

Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20260519154604/https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/ApZbYc1ZFRWqWQ4MFM2ATCKvOqc/

(EDIT: DJB was briefly moderated, but IESG overturned it.)

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Show threadthe esoteric programmerMay 19
@soatok oof, I don't know how the situation could become worse, goddamn, those people really gotta get their priorities in order :p. What RFC is the drama about? is it the hybrid pq and regular crypto vs pure pq alternatives again?
Show threadSoatok DreamseekerMay 19

@esoteric_programmer It's about a non-standards track RFC that allows IANA to specify a codepoint for non-hybrid ML-DSA for TLS.

That's it.

Show threadthe esoteric programmerMay 19
@soatok lol, and they're kicking such a fuss about only that? I guess some people are, as the kids say these days, terminally online :p
Show threadSoatok Dreamseeker

@esoteric_programmer DJB is only pinching a loaf here because his designs didn't get selected for standardization.

He doesn't ring the "it needs hybrid" bell when it comes to, e.g. McEliece. Only ML-KEM and ML-DSA.

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Show threadSophie SchmiegMay 19
@soatok @esoteric_programmer at this point, his actions are indistinguishable from sabotage.