Let's do another round of European alternatives to Big Tech, because we care and we don't gatekeep 🙂 :
- Chrome, Edge, Safari --> @Vivaldi
- iCloud, Google Drive --> @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network, @Mastodon, Cryptee
- Google Search --> @StartpageSearch @Qwant , @ecosia, @Mojeek, Tiger.ch
- MS Office --> @libreoffice
- Gmail --> @Tutanota , @protonprivacy Mail
- iPhone --> @jolla @volla
- iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS
…& much more: https://europeantechmap.eu
@tomminieminen I wouldn’t advise as recently a user has reported that it you go above the limits, against their own policy, that they will delete all of your user data without recovery
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/s/spcNpJc73e It’s not great I can’t lie
True, though Graphene could use some alternatives to the Pixel and Motorola's _flagship_-to-be... something Murena has caught on to... (competition is good, I hope this encourages it!)
@stonebear2 @kris @Vivaldi All /e/ and Murena device are missing crucial standard privacy/security patches and protections. The reason they support a massive range of devices is because they don't actually care about privacy but rather only making money. They mislead users about what's provided while sending off their data to third parties and failing to protect them from severe privacy and security holes. They claim strong privacy and security is for criminals.
Strong words, sir, would you care to provide _external_ references?
@stonebear2 The linked thread has a video showing what we said. /e/ and Murena have said the same thing in other interviews and their own posts repeatedly and it's not hard to find other examples. We can link to a few more examples if you want to see those. The linked thread has other sources linked in it too.
Read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the linked content from Divested Computing in the article. It also has other sources. What we've posted in this thread and there is verifiable info.
@rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi They include a bunch of invasive apps and services in the OS. They send user data to OpenAI and other third parties without consent.
Despite being heavily marketed as avoiding Google and portraying privacy as being all about that when it isn't, /e/ adds a bunch of default enabled Google services. They give extensive privileged access to those Google services and other Google apps. They download and run Google Play code with privileged access by default.
@rodolforg @Lacze @kris @Vivaldi /e/ is a fork of LineageOS which is a far more sensible replacement for the stock OS on a broad range of devices. LineageOS doesn't regress privacy and security nearly as much including not lagging nearly as far behind on updates. Neither makes an insecure end-of-life device safe to use despite that common misconception, but there are devices where LineageOS gets decent updates while /e/ never does.
More info including 3rd party sources:
@kris @Vivaldi @GrapheneOS Well, the post was about European alternatives, so Graphene is out of scope being Canadian.
On the other hand, Google is working hard to render both Murena and Graphene based devices useless.
On the long run, I think, pure Linux based alternatives can get us out of this trap. Like SailfishOs from @jolla and @postmarketOS.
@david_bardos @kris @Vivaldi Your claim Google is working to make GrapheneOS devices useless is untrue. If you mean the Play Integrity API, that impacts any OS regardless of whether it's based on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP).
SailfishOS and traditional desktop Linux operating systems are drastically less private and secure than AOSP. Linux doesn't mean glibc, systemd and GNOME. AOSP and GrapheneOS aren't somehow not Linux due to larger userspace differences from desktop Linux.
@david_bardos @kris @Vivaldi It's not unclear why you want the far less private, secure, functional and compatible closed source SailfishOS software stack over open source AOSP.
Volla, Jolla and Murena devices have drastically worse privacy and security than an iPhone. Vivaldi is recommending people move from hardware and software with very strong privacy and security protections to platforms not doing the bare minimum including not providing standard privacy/security patches and protections.
@david_bardos @kris @Vivaldi iPhones and GrapheneOS devices provide users with strong privacy and security protections. Both are at the leading edge of protecting against privacy and security weaknesses being exploited by apps, services and exploit tools. Meanwhille, /e/ and Murena have heavily pushed the false narrative that strong privacy and security protections mainly benefit criminals to justify the awful privacy and security of their operating system and devices:
@GrapheneOS @kris @Vivaldi Let’s not mix things up. The paternalistic behavior of tech companies has nothing to do with security. It’s only about locking users in to exploit them.
Just like some politicians who can't stop talking about keeping people safe, but really just want to take away their freedom.
@david_bardos @kris @Vivaldi SailfishOS keeping most of their user interface and application layer closed source with only the Russian government able to fork it as part of their 2015-2023 partnership is designed to lock in users. The only reason for SailfishOS to keep so much closed source is to keep it under their control.
Volla is pushing adoption of their anti-competitive Unified Attestation putting them in control of which devices and OSes users are allowed to run:
@ocelot221 @david_bardos @kris @Vivaldi Digital sovereignty refers to government control over data, devices and services of people in the country. GrapheneOS exists to protect users against surveillance including from governments rather than working to enable it. We plan to protect our users from future authoritarian laws in countries where we operate including through willingness to move where we operate if that's ever necessary. /e/ has quite the opposite approach:
"- iOS, Android --> @murena e/OS"
I think shift-phone with ShiftOS-L should also listed at EU-alternatives.
What's about grapheneOS? Is intended to support also systems like the shift-phone?
@Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota @jolla @volla @murena
Proton really ??
after all their data sellouts and hidden/ closet agreement to comply with USA'ian laws.
@Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota /e/ and Murena have heavily pushed the narrative that providing strong privacy and security protections primarily benefits criminals. They've repeatedly portrayed providing strong defenses for privacy and security weaknesses as being something not relevant to regular people. Computing devices need far better privacy and security to protect regular people.
@GrapheneOS @Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota
I think the main criteria of this post's recommendations was "European". I'm guessing GOS doesn't have that geographic requirement.
It's an odd choice to localize privacy recommendations on Vivaldi's part, as opposed to offering the most secure/runner up options.
Wouldn't recommend their phone/OS choices either.
@Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota @jolla @volla @murena
Check this out:
https://european-alternatives.eu
It's how I found your awesome browser.
@Vivaldi @protonprivacy @infomaniak_network @Mastodon @StartpageSearch @Qwant @ecosia @Mojeek @libreoffice @Tutanota @jolla @volla @murena
I missed FairPhone (NL) in the List. It's maybe the most sostainable phone in the market, you can change, update or substitute any component by yourself if you want, without the need of an workshop if something break or get obsolete.
@Vivaldi I’ve been heading in that direction for a while now.
Browser: Vivaldi
Email: Vivaldi, Proton
Android: GrapheneOS
GPS: OSMAnd~
Youtube: Freetube
These're the most relevant examples.
Vivaldi Browser
Tommi Nieminen
Dave
michaelgrainger
Dávid Bárdos
swggrkllr3rd
SummerOf68
Kris
StoneBear 
GrapheneOS
Micdan 💾
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RodolfoRG
ocelot221
Playing With Fediverse
Jon Kam
Marc 🐷🌏
Runbox
Ramnarayan Kalyanaraman
PorkSoda
Eric Bono
Verena Rupp
Catweazle
Sarah
Justin Macleod
Frank
Obiwan2208