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Max LeibmanLow Code ➡️ No Code ➡️ Vibe Code ➡️ Agentic Code ➡️ No Coders ➡️ Lots of Code ➡️ Oh My God So Much Shitty Code ➡️ Where Are the Coders? ➡️ This Coding Agent costs WHAT now? ➡️ Just Regular Code Again
Craig Lambie@maxleibman having that experience for sure.
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Dave Mason@maxleibman
Ahhh! The IT hamster wheel...
Ahhh! The IT hamster wheel...
May Likes Toronto@maxleibman meanwhile, buried in my piles of spreadsheets...
Kaito@maxleibman I hope we just skipped everything but the last step
canleaf08✅ 加拿大葉子 🏳️🌈⚧️🇪🇺🍁@maxleibman CEO realizes that with a lot of md files you can build companies too ➡️ software engineer works as order picker at Amazon ➡️ Software becomes messy ➡️ Companies rehire but only need real engineers ➡️ engineer learns a trade
Eric Eggert@maxleibman *Circle of Life starts playing in the background*
Nico - NFC.cool@maxleibman where is the spaghetti code? 🍝 🤌🏼 (read with Italian accent)
Tofu 
@maxleibman I got a high end GPU right there to swap over to once subsidized compute goes away!
nicolas ⁂@maxleibman … ➡️ Where are the coders? ➡️ Oh no none of them are left and nobody alive knows how to code ➡️ Fall of computer era ➡️ Everything is analogic again
@nclm Th as seems plausible, but I think the bubble will pop before we get to that point.
doragasu@maxleibman @nclm Nah, analog design has been long forgotten already.
Freevolt@maxleibman Some people just don't see the problem no matter how much they've been warned until the problem eventually gets them.
Sivation@maxleibman this is the thing which always gets me about this... people falling into the trap of more code == productivity.
SanskritFritz@maxleibman
I'm not sure about the last part. Given the amount of people who just accept enshittification already as normal because it works most of the time, I think they also accept AI code just because there is seemingly no alternative since their voice is just too weak compared to Corp AI voice.
I'm not sure about the last part. Given the amount of people who just accept enshittification already as normal because it works most of the time, I think they also accept AI code just because there is seemingly no alternative since their voice is just too weak compared to Corp AI voice.
@SanskritFritz There may be an element of wishful thinking there, for sure.
Jacob Ibáñez 🔒
@maxleibman and during the process the world and the climate crisis is way worse, our pockets shallower, and the mega rich accumulate even more wealth
Brandon Rohrer@maxleibman 🎵 it’s the Circle, the Circle of Life 🎶
Old Fucking Punk@maxleibman I know I'm being pedantic all over your humor, but...
IME, the "low code" and "no code" movements were about model-based coding (analysis or design models), not related to the agentic LLM crap. AFAIK, there's been no agentic model creation, as that requires actual intelligence.
IME, the "low code" and "no code" movements were about model-based coding (analysis or design models), not related to the agentic LLM crap. AFAIK, there's been no agentic model creation, as that requires actual intelligence.
@lwriemen Pedantry is welcome, although I think we have a misunderstanding about the points I was making.
I didn’t say low code/no code was about LLMs; it is related because it was the previous wave of products and managerial excitement to claw some of software development away from expensive coders (also, I work in that space, and it IS rancid with AI crap now, too, although that wasn’t my point).
As far as agents go, sure, but that’s not what is meant here by agentic code. Coding “agents” are already running rampant. Phrased that way to be parallel with many of the other trend named here.
@maxleibman Hmmm...I always considered analysts to be more expensive than coders, but point taken. I'm an old Shlaer-Mellor OOA modeler, so that wagon seemed to get hitched to "no code" and "low code" as it tried to stay saleable. I never really grasped what the hard core "no code" and "low code" practitioners were doing, but knew it was tangentially related.
What is "AI" doing in those realms? In the S-M OOA realm some people were looking at it for the model compiler development.
What is "AI" doing in those realms? In the S-M OOA realm some people were looking at it for the model compiler development.
@lwriemen The AI angle comes in a couple different ways—Microsoft (to give the example I’m most familiar with) incorporates Copilot into Power Platform and can be used to start or modify designs for workflows or apps. Doesn’t work well in my experience, but it’s there. They also have an “Apps Agent” in their frontier collection that will build one-off web apps backed by SharePoint data based on user prompts. From the other end, though, there are also platforms that use low-code style interfaces to help non-experts create custom chatbots or workflows/actions chatbots can control.
Hannu@maxleibman inshallah
@maxleibman Cannot wait for the "Just Regular Code Again" to arrive.
와사비@maxleibman I Can't Believe That's Not Code!
Kevin Karhan@maxleibman I skip to the end and save more money than I could ever charge for...
Bill Fellows@maxleibman we didn't start the fire
it was always burning 🎶
it was always burning 🎶
weakly catlike intelligence@maxleibman The accumulated filth of all their chats and prompts will foam up about their waists and all the managers and vibe coders will look up and shout 'FIX IT!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.
Claudio Zizza 🦜@maxleibman But aren't going to pay properly, because of the large amount of free developers.
einfachnurRoland@maxleibman
🇩🇪 Wie verläuft ein ganz normaler Innovationszyklus in der IT?
🇬🇧 What does a typical innovation cycle in IT look like?
Richard A@maxleibman quite likely