@tante @ai6yr I wrote about this yesterday, Mastodon's decision to voluntarily downsize in the face of AI. I think it's sad, but I'll take the clue and start unfollowing.
@buckfiftyseven @tante So let me get this right. You are an AI fan, and you don't like people who are not fans of AI (for the reasons in that post), so you are unfollowing people who don't like AI? That's fine, I guess. 🤔

@ai6yr @tante That's a very shallow way to represent it. I would say I understand American copyright law, and I understand the contradiction of people who run ad blockers while claiming they support copyright law and the contradiction of people who run ad blockers saying that AI training is stealing.

Public domain exists. Open source exists. Creative Commons exists. And the body of law on fair use goes back quite a long time.

@buckfiftyseven @tante Ah, so you are saying if you are using an ad blocker, you are as wrong as the AI companies?
@ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante

It's really not the same. Ads are manipulative, do not reflect the reality, and are designed to force themselves inside your brain, using resources that might otherwise be employed for more useful things, for example remembering your actual life events. Sure, maybe one ad won't change anything but being bombarded with ads every second of your online life has to be very bad for your attention and memory (I am not aware of existing studies on this, but this is my educated guess given what we know about how memory works).

So, protecting your brain from ads is completely legitimate and is similar to, say, using an umbrella when it rains. People should have all rights to use ad blockers if the website they're on chose to disregard their mental health and use ads to fund itself. There are other ways to fund a website and ads are not the way.

@elduvelle @ai6yr @tante I get what you're saying, but again I observe that you are putting your moral values upon someone else.

You are not accepting the values of the author or creator.

This is again what bad AI companies do when they simply take from websites.

@elduvelle @ai6yr @tante it goes without saying that when you don't use an ad blocker you can see which sites advertise too much, according to your values, and then simply leave

There are lots of websites where I don't block, but I bail fast.

@buckfiftyseven @elduvelle @ai6yr @tante Similar vibes. (How do you people talk yourselves into these positions? *lol* Well, asking “why” answers the question.)

@clarissawam @elduvelle @ai6yr @tante absolutely not. If you want to take the high moral position that you are going to avoid advertising, you should prefer sites that are socially supported

I support both Mastodon and Wikipedia, do you?

@clarissawam @elduvelle @ai6yr @tante maybe I should explain what exactly I do:

I don't run an ad blocker. That allows me to quickly detect which sites are inundated with ads. I pretty much always leave immediately. I don't give them my custom.

When someone is trying hard and has a nice little web page on coffee or chili peppers or whatever, and has a few ads, I accept their bargain. This is a social contract that I accept.

And of course I support public efforts.

@clarissawam @elduvelle @ai6yr @tante maybe you should think through what you're doing for the coffee person or the chili pepper person when you sit on their site for a few minutes reading their content while blocking their ads.

Perhaps you have no sympathy for them.