宮城巴惠Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!
Li ~ Crystal System@KitsuneofInari im not sure id say that understanding of code is a boolean function of just either fully understanding everything including any and all bugs that could ever arise, and not understanding it at all, but rather a variable level of some understanding,
Halla Rempt@Li @KitsuneofInari So... Nobody can really understand code fully, not even the code they have written. Code has become too complex, and there is just too much of it!
But if you have thought about what your were writing, if you have recorded your thinking in commit messages and comments.
There is a chance you might have a recollection of having created that code when debugging it, ten years later.
If you asked Claude to regexp-slop it for you, not chance.
@Li @KitsuneofInari Also, the fun part of writing software is thinking, coding, testing, seeing people use it...
Doing code-review, not so much. That's what you do to help other people to level up.
But with LLM-generated code, where are the people you want to mentor?
But you still have to code-review the swill.
o lаvrоvsky@halla @Li @KitsuneofInari This is tantamount to saying don’t use tools, or libraries, or graphics cards, if you don’t review their code. I can’t agree with this sentiment. The real issue is the broken trust and overreach of agentic tools.
Should I ditch the Wacom and pick up a papyrus roll and feather quill instead because I don’t review the Krita source code or my tablet’s circuits? No, I trust the authors and their community.
So the question in my mind is: in what skilled hands, with which LLM, and to what extent, does it fall within the boundaries of acceptable use?
@halla @Li @KitsuneofInari I completely respect the decision of the maintainers, and think it’s better to have a clear policy than let the debate stew and simmer. Given the user base and sentiment against the GenAI topic, it’s possibly even the right move.
I just want to see an even better justification, like: we don’t add code, we tactically remove it. Our code base is a sculpture, and LLMs aren’t much help here.
Or even: as you kind of wrote above, Krita is an expression of the joy of art through the joy of coding. We aren’t feeling the vibes when you PR us your lobster soup, but feel free to make your own painting program from scratch. Call it Pincha, if you want!
M.@loleg @Li @KitsuneofInari You need retraining in logic, rethoric and thinking. Focus for now on recognizing false equivalences. I will mute you for a month, in the hope that you will have found sources of proper learning.
ImaLamer@kindalame yes. Instead of doing something good, like painting. Mea culpa
@kindalame Ha didn’t even see that post you responded to. Consequence of being muted? Anyway, I think there is a degree of irony in all such threads..
Dmitry Tantsur@halla @loleg @Li @KitsuneofInari while your opponent's argumentation is lacking, being such a grotesquely arrogant cunt to a stranger will definitely convince them, good job. They'll definitely come in a month for more of your brilliant ad hominem.
No wonder nobody is taking AI critics seriously.
@creepy_owlet @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari Just going through a bout of anxiety & insomnia, watching the moon slowly sink over the night sky and imagining the little people in a tin can circling around it.
Thank you for your kindness 🤗 but let’s all be kind to one another. Maybe there are compelling reasons (loss of job opportunities, state of the world, etc.) we don’t know and dare not ask.
I am absolutely fine with being muted, and frankly we all need such things for our peace of mind.
NullDott 🎩 (Comms Open 3/4)@loleg I don't think is a tantamount at all.
LLMs aren't a vital part of the development process, and they have never been... You can pretty much get all the supposed "benefits" from "agentic tools" without actually using "agentic tools", and you avoid all the hassle that they can bring in the long run.
Also the examples you gave aren't really equivalent?
I can trust Krita maintainers and community, I cannot trust slop machines owned by private companies.
Moses Izumi