Soon Reddit users need to prove that they are human using ID verification. Your site is already garbage and I am not giving you any ID.

https://www.reddit.com/user/spez/comments/1s3ezrc/humans_welcome_bots_must_wear_name_tags/

Mastdon and Fedi seems to doing fine without any ID.

hear me out: i starting to feel like all this OS, social media age/ID & KYC verification push because people are speaking out against world governments & the wealthy brats

They want to create fear. if you talk against them they can send the police or their supporters to your home because they know exactly who you are. This has nothing to do with kids. If it did, many AI apps would have been shut down a long time ago when they started 'undressing' women and deepfakes. Yet those apps are online

there is some truth to the issues with bots or AI based spam, but then again, companies are firing competent software devs/IT staff & still expecting everything to work perfectly

the solution to these AI bots is regulation. they've 3/4 companies that all these bottom feeders use for spamming via API. It isn't that hard to fix the problem but governments are too busy with throwing dirt at each other these days & for profit social media want to tag everyone with ID so they can market you better

@nixCraft

But no matter what, those bastards do their things.

They don't even try to fake it with GenAI, deepfake, no, just pure blatant lies with two prominent fingers at your face.

This is a strange way to go fascism, they still, somehow, ask for permission (laws) or justification.

Should we see the good side and telling ourselves that we might still be able to change something?

@nixCraft Fraud is rampant, there is the KYC camp which are typically businesses that have some reason to need to verify you are not exfiltrating their systems, and then there is the tinfoil hat security crowd (mostly us) that sees boogiemen everywhere (and are often right, often wrong.

These two are seemingly at odds, but in reality what it suggests is that there are distinct identity domains that we need to solve for - public and private, and we haven't.

We need zkp public identity yesterday

@hundredlottrader @nixCraft fraud isn’t my problem. I don’t really care if the business loses money due to it.

There are other options.

@nixCraft Obstacles
create opportunity…we don’t *need* any state controlled propaganda/monitoring tools. The powers to be always forget why the cools kids went to these platforms in the first place.
@nixCraft Pretty much, this is what privacy advocates have been saying for decades. There is no free speech without the option for anonymous speech.

@nixCraft not sure this is a hot take, frankly

Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention

@nixCraft "starting to feel like" yeah it's pretty blatantly out in the open now

@nixCraft, 100% agree

As grave as the situation is, it also has a bright side — it means pushbacks still work and people _do_ still have power

@nixCraft seeing that it’s Meta behind this push, and their main line of business is targeted ads, *my* take is that this is an attempt to force creation of durable IDs bypassing vendor privacy blocks. All other justifications are attempts to make it palatable.
@nixCraft Reddit was fun but they long ago destroyed their reputation.

@jackryder @nixCraft

Yea it was after a certain point (when i started caring about my privacy) that some of the reddit communities just didn't make sense being on the platform. r/privacy is one such community, you put all this information out there of the spyware and cookies big tech is using to create a profile of you, but you put it on the platform known for selling your data.

When I commented in that community I felt like the biggest hypocrite on there.

@nixCraft The number sites that have audacity to ask for ID like nothing is too high. I don't even want to sign in, usually.

@freevolt24 @nixCraft

I mean, yea, social media and putting yourself on the internet has become so normalized that when I ask people about privacy and why they don't care about anonymity, people just say to me "I have nothing to hide."

I've said this once before and I'll continue to say it as a metaphor, "people are dying from mediocrity," as in, they are slowly becoming more desensitized of their privacy in return of convenience.
Now people are providing government ID.

@freevolt24 @nixCraft

Some people say that sooner or later we'll be the people in the dystopian society in wall-E. Functionally and behaviorally speaking we're already there.

@nixCraft @SnowyCA I deleted my reddit account like 8 years ago and it keeps reassuring me that was a good decision

God that is going to backfire, so many trolls that thrive because they’re anonymous

@catzilla @nixCraft @SnowyCA

A leak is guaranteed for sure. May as well tell people to post their ID publically.

@nixCraft
No problem with Passkeys. If that would be the only thing that would be fine.
(As long it does not exclude certain people for accessibility or other reasons)
@nixCraft
Lots of unethical companies get the OK in their list, what a joke
@nixCraft Omg big F. Was thanks to reddit that i get to know fediverse.
@nixCraft thats why i shifted to fedi

@nixCraft

Passkeys can be automated and requirement of human interaction is just a matter of implementation.

@nixCraft you have to remember that R is a stealth porn site and so wants to outsource responsibility for keeping anyone from knowing…

@nixCraft Meanwhile they allow bots from companies which paid them (one prominent example being Sam Altman's World) <https://documentingourdecline.substack.com/p/ai-bots-appeared-after-reddit-partnered>.

It's just hypocrisy and data harvesting all the way down.

AI Bots Appeared After Reddit Partnered with OpenAI

Why are AI bots posting links for Altman's World ID?

Documenting Our Decline
@nixCraft Oh, and spez mentioning World ID in the post is both extremely ironic (considering that most spam links on Reddit lead to World ID) and a confirmation that there's some hidden business deal going on between World and Reddit.

@nixCraft

Mastdon and Fedi seems to doing fine without any ID.

Sure. Right up until the point someone randomly takes it upon themselves and pushes a whole bunch of PRs that just get approved despite a bunch of people saying "wait, slow down, I'm not sure this is right for this long list of reasons" which moderators close because they don't want to deal with it.

I hope we learn something useful from systemd, but I don't know. I think part of the insidiousness of it is how fast it happened and how so many steps along the way only involved "Claude" rather than even really any humans to make the decision with human opposition just shut down and silenced.

It's not impossible that this could happen to Mastodon. That proved it.

@nixCraft it’s about time. Allowing anonymous accounts and unverified accounts is killing the platform.

@nixCraft

I used to be very active on Reddit. But it does seem the place is overrun by bots. I dunno if requiring ID is the answer. Best to stay away, and use Mastodon and/or Lemmy.