#MarALago

#Trump's Plutocrat-Bigot-Child Rapist power nexus

Now in a #Democrat ruled state district in #MAGA #Florida

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/24/dems-win-mar-a-lago-gregory-00843333

"They'll steal the vote"

You'll do #prematureCapitulation and not vote?

"Both sides the same"

You're an idiot fine with MAGA #fascism?

"But my obsessive single issue"

You're fine with destroying #transRights, #womensRights, #immigrantRights, etc in #ToxicIdealism?

#Vote

#Primaries and November

#Democrats suck but we can freeze Trump's agenda

@benroyce will they throw it out, he spends more than 11 days a year there....

@aho

they can't

see people are worried about the erosion of #democracy in the #usa and they are correct

and the solution is we vote *more* and get real leftists in power and close the loopholes

but there is this unfortunate human hopelessness where people just give up (or outright troll #psyop cosplaying left encouraging that)

i don't understand why people don't #vote. they only help #fascism. it's #entitlement: "won't affect me." or cluelessness (it will affect them but they don't know)

@benroyce @aho
Never underestimate the power of human cluelessness.

@benroyce Stupidity - See Bonnhoeffer's theory.

@aho

@benroyce @aho I don't see why people wouldnt vote. Its downright lazy not to. It takes little effort.

However, the fascists are just going to keep cheating with rigged machines. Then what

@bridgeenjoyer @aho

what is the point of your assertion?

give up?

because malice intends to harm you, you accept they already succeeded?

do you see the self-destructive foolishness of your sentiment here?

you fight. you always fight. giving in and giving up is not an option

hell, they vote in venezuela, and there the vote is *really* fucked

all i'm concluding is venezuelans have way more backbone than weak, entitled, whiny americans ready to just roll over and take the abuse passively

@benroyce @bridgeenjoyer I was thinking of the original agreement, which limited his live at the golf club to 11 days a year, but which he never followed

@aho @bridgeenjoyer

yeah you were just making a joke, and i sort of hijacked your comment, because of my obsessive focus on voting. forgive me. we good

@benroyce
@bridgeenjoyer @aho

If you look at most of your rights:
They come from your ancestors' fights!
They're looking at you,
so think what you'll do
to honor their blood and their lives.

@bridgeenjoyer @benroyce @aho
Then they might get caught cheating which might upset even the most apathetic centrist and some of the rubes supporting them enough, that they join protests/revolutions/anything.

If people don't vote, they just win by default, allowing them to keep up an illusion that everything is working as intended and anybody who'd rather look away than get involved can do so without experiencing even the tiniest bit of discomfort.

@painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

nevermind that the vote is controlled by the states. red states might fuck around with the vote but they are already red states

so anyone going "MAGA intends to fuck with the vote, waah, therefore they already did and won, waah" are just describing their own spinelessness, not reality

unless there are enough of such spineless complacent fools. then they are practicing self-fulfilling prophecy, not voting, and handing the country to MAGA

@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho That's why they're planning to start sending ICE to the polls as an intimidation tactic. Even in Minnesota they're still sending state and local cops out to protect and support ICE no matter what those thugs do...

@admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

they can send ICE to block polling stations

we show up anyway

the idea MAGA exhibits menace and we just give in and give up is ridiculous

btw, i'm not saying that is your sentiment, i'm just riffing on your comment for those reading out there who are spineless (not you)

ICE at the polls:

1. meek weak americans stay home

2. we fucking shove the goons aside

which scenario is the real left?

which scenario is willing submission to fascism?

@benroyce @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho Option 2 is what me and mine are going to be doing.
@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho Sure, but that's easy for this privileged middle class white guy to say. If ICE is deployed to the polls, people who don't look white enough *will* be hauled off and jailed for weeks or months without charge (possibly even disappeared entirely) -- just like they're already doing to folks on the streets. I hope that won't scare off too many folks but it's hard for me to sit here and tell people with families to worry about to just ignore that risk.

@admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

i'd be careful with that statement. you're saying nonwhite folks have no fight in them. of course the stakes are higher for oppressed groups, but time and time again we see the oppressed have more backbone and fight in them than the middle class whites who are fine with fascism

it's not that the white middle class douchebag is ok with a fight. it's more like the white middle class douchebag won't show up and won't fight and won't vote

@benroyce @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho I don't think being afraid of people who can disappear you makes you meek and weak.

Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to try to push heavily armed trigger-happy goons around. They'll just kill you.

@mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

they're going to kill us anyway

do you want to go out on your terms or their terms?

if all of us depend on someone else to show up and fix things, no one is going to fix anything. just looking at each other and expecting them to act

it depends on us

and we're either going to act now, with the potential for death, or we're going to act later, with a greater potential for death

those are our only choices

and we have to choose

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho just act now with little acts of disobedience, easy stuff. For example, taking pictures of unmasked ice agents for identification for trial later.

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

but there won't ever be a trial later if we don't vote

we have to #vote

any rationale for not voting is simply self-subjugation to #fascism out of entitlement ("it doesn't affect me") or mindless cynicism and learned helplessness: personal weakness

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho oh absolutely go vote, but why waste the opportunity to document these people while they're unmasked?

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

dopes i love you. i'm not arguing with you at all. i support what you're saying 1,000%. i'm just monomaniacally focused on voting so i'm hijacking your comment. not out of disagreement, just out of my self-consuming concern

we doth both

i feel you 💪 😤

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho yes, but we have at least 7 months until November. So why wait until then when we have plenty of time for some shenanigans?

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

we've already had some, but we have some more: #primaries

that is where we can make a serious difference by getting real left #candidates

and yet primary turn out is always abysmal

so anyone who says they are on the left and doesn't show up in the primaries: i doubt their authenticity

so much energy whining online, and not voting in the primaries, is gobsmackingly stupid

but also yes: we do shenanigans too as you say

@benroyce @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
I'm not from there, but isn't the Primary a late stage in the process?
Standing up potentials as candidates for selection in a Primary is where you get suitable people as candidates, since unsuitable people will be already in the queue, clutching the ticket price.

But I know little of the region.

@Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

well yeah, ideally we have a system for getting solid left candidates up, but regardless, in any primary there are lefter and righter candidates

and the choice matters

and not enough make the choice

then people complain it's all centrists

well: did you show up in the primaries, useless whiner?

@benroyce @Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho They all suck ass. I’m not a fan of any party or popular ideology but will vote for the least evil douche.

Living in a state where u don’t have to be affiliated with a party to vote in primaries is way cool.

@Ox1de @Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

as long as you vote, i don't give a fuck what you think

voting or not is the primary point of failure or success

not voting only helps fascism

so many delude themselves that they are entitled to nope out and... it won't affect them? they aren't abandoning their principles? they think they are going to get any movement on what they *say* they care about but won't lift one finger to matter on?

lunacy

@benroyce

it is better to vote than not. But if you don't like the least bad, then your contribution would better have started earlier.

Please leave me out of further exchanges. And good luck.

@admin @benroyce @bridgeenjoyer @aho
Then that is what they should have to do. Every single act of escalation on their part comes with the chance of turning people from "this seems bad but I'm not gonna risk my neck because of it" to "this is completely unacceptable and I'm gonna do something about it".
@painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @benroyce one misconception some people have is the if they register to vote, then they will also added to the jury duty list, but in many states it seems to be enough to get a driving license to be added to the possible jury duty list.

@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer

jury duty is a civic obligation. if someone is put off because they don't want to do jury duty this is a further definition of an entitled loser who is fine with fascism

@benroyce @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer I'm not a believer of jury or bonds, replace the jury with "junior" judges and they know the laws better than someone from the street and why let someone pay to get out of jail (for a while at least), either the court think there is no ground to hold the person or the person should held, not something in between.

but that is a completely different topic...

@aho @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer

you can bribe a judge. and over a lifetime the judge will start making decisions on an agenda rather than the individual merits of an individual case

so, it's not possible for me to disagree with you more, and quite heavily. i think this is a terrible statement you're making. it has to be juries

@painting_squirrel @benroyce @aho they got caught cheating and outright said they cheated and literally nothing happened. They have ways to twist it to trick the brainwashed conservatives to say "anything you hear is a lie, daddy Drump is always right, liberals always evil"

Especially with ai slop, nothing can ever be trusted again, and so its weaponized.

@benroyce
My simple election reminder:
Do vote - even if for a blinder!
Think of want you may lose,
if you let others choose
'stead of passing your life through a grinder.

🤷

@benroyce

I just love it when good news is also delightful. This is both.

@benroyce it looks like we’ve also flipped Senate District 14 to Democrats. With less than 500 votes between them despite the republican candidate having a jaw dropping amount of funding backing her.

So, this one will definitely be recounted before it’s certified, but wow!

@benroyce The chance that any Democrat will vote for a left-leaning legislation than any GOP member. Therefore, voting for a Democrat, even if they aren't left-leaning, creates a more left-leaning legislature.

Voting in primaries is how you pick your candidate, once at the general, vote Democratic, regardless of issues you may have with that candidate. We can resolve those over time at the next election.

Vote, vote, vote, vote!

#Vote #Democratic #VoteBlue

@RegGuy

i'm trying to think of a sentiment that would disagree with you

and i see only the fucking #toxicidealism losers who are fine with rising #fascism: they only make excuses to do nothing

or the right wing trolls cosplaying left to work a helplessness #psyop on idiots who call themselves left, but aren't really

because their primary concern is their high holy sense of self-regard: to sit things out and judge from an ivory tower

while their world goes to hell

they don't care

#vote

@benroyce @RegGuy all (hand waves) *THIS*, but I also stare at this concept like a fucking mate-in-five chess puzzle. I would LOVE to find a way to fuck with a corporate Dem incumbent without hurting progressive ideals and goals.
@benroyce @RegGuy my best answer so far is something union-ish to counter the sense-of-community glue churches give. GOTV like unions and churches do.

@cascheranno @RegGuy

that model has been established:

#mamdani

corporate centrist dems fought him in the #primaries. people showed up anyways

then they positioned cuomo in the general. people showed up anyways

now we have mamdani

BECAUSE PEOPLE FUCKING VOTED

so the model?

fucking show up and #vote! get in real leftists! especially the #primaries

people whining that centrist dems suck doesn't mean shit. it's a red herring. it's a self-defeating whine

ignore centrists and replace them

@benroyce @RegGuy so much of this is GOTV.

Pointing to AOC or Mamdani or etc hides their campaign’s effort & the complex of processes they successfully ran. We can’t just agree ‘gotta vote’ - that neglects how hard it is get voters out. And how well they executed. Heck, fam in midtown Brooklyn got canvassed 3x this year, and couldn’t recall the last time anyone knocked on their door.

Pointing to Mamdani glosses by how easily media ownership and money can and does crush weaker campaigns. Cori Bush and Omar and Sanders and Dean’s scream and etc…

I grew up in a union town pre-Reagan. Blue county in a red state. And we had pro leaders, call trees, flyers, rallies, pot lucks, letter-writing, sign teams, etc. then calls day-of, aunties driving folks to polls, a known roster per precinct, and then a fun party after. These orgs were union. When unions got nuked by RightToWork and closures/offshoring, the area’s become reddish-purple. Hell, religious wedges mean even the ~15% in unions tend red. Fucking nightmarish.

@cascheranno @RegGuy

no

fuck this defeatist nonsense

the primary point of success or failure is people showing the fuck up

that is what mamdani and AOC succeeded in doing *without* centrist support

that is the lesson

meanwhile endlessly making demands before showing up is lunacy. it is exactly why the left loses

what are you asking for?

that all these forces suddenly align with leftist causes? you think that's going to happen?

no, we simply show the fuck up

stop making excuses not to

@benroyce @RegGuy bruh. They won in GOTV. ‘Vote’ times 1e6. All the rest of that bears no resemblance to what I said. Was it copypasta?

@cascheranno @RegGuy

look: say or don't say whatever the fuck you want

if you show up to vote, i have no problem with you. i'm your biggest fan

but put forth any rationale that says we can not effectively vote until certain exigent conditions are met is a flat rejection from me bruh

showing the fuck up is job number 1. everything else is fucking noise

that's it. that's all i'm saying

@benroyce @cascheranno @RegGuy The comparsion I sometimes use is being allowed to use a time machine and vote in Germany's 1932 election.
@LukefromDC @benroyce @cascheranno @RegGuy Sadly a better time comparison might be to end of August 1939... not 1932.

@ManyRoads @benroyce @cascheranno @RegGuy For the most part that's where the current regime here is, but the fact that the election cycle was already scheduled puts der Trumpenfuhrer in the position of having to either openly cancel an election or allow it to theoretically take place.

It is NOT realistic however to ask people to risk arrest to vote unless large and defensible groups can go to polling places together. In some places this could even require armed backup security to prevent ICE vans from leaving with prisoners.

The relative effect of one vote is not enough to justify a double-digit risk of being kidnapped by ICE and sent to a concentration camp.

Tens of millions will be banned from voting if the SAVE (the GOP) act passes, rendering the election a sham and any GOP "victory" null and void internationally and in the streets.

Voter ID alone is a 5% structural advantage to the GOP in the states that have it (all GOP states). Requiring married women to have passports or similar to vote will hugely multiply this, note that the normal time to get a passport is already March->Nov and they cannot (and will refuse to) handle that many expedited applications. Even Real ID drivers licenses won't be enough. That way the GOP gets out of the unpopularity of their abortion ban laws.

If the SAVE act passes and ICE agents are deployed to the polls, I would expect a double-digit margin for the GOP in every state no matter what independent polls show.

@LukefromDC @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

all that being said, it's more reason to show up and vote

with group security as you cite

this idea they push these laws, and we obediently not vote as they intend us not to, is alien to me

if someone intends me harm, i'm not going to cooperate with them and give them what they want

anyone who doesn't vote out of concern for security: do they think they have security in the MAGA fascism their nonvote will help deliver?

@benroyce @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

If someone is willing to take a double-digit risk of being sent to a concentration camp, there are other things that can be done for that level of risk.

Things like those warehouse fires that are deterring landlords from renting to ICE. Things like fighting on the battlefield in Minneapolis and helping inflict a military defeat on ICE.

Containing the risk to below that level with ICE at the polling places is possible, but it would require us to have enough security details to cover every polling place where ICE is present, and that these security details be able to blend in so as not to run off anti-Trump voters who are unaware of the campaign.

In general, I do not advocate unarmed civil disobedience style tactics in an open Fascist country that sends people to concentration camps. We are well past that point already.

@LukefromDC @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

everything you just listed has as much or more risk to personal liberty and bodily harm as massing at a polling place and confronting ICE

nevermind that to actually change things we have to vote. everything you listed won't change things one bit. in fact, it could serve as a reichstag fire moment for the fascists to fake excuse clamping down harder

you're going to take risk now

or you're going to take greater risk later

those are our only choices

@benroyce @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

That depends entirely on what ICE actually does at polling places. Theoretically, ICE is not supposed to have jurisdiction at all over anyone with citizenship, thus there should be nobody at any polling place ICE has probable cause to stop.

In actual practice however, ICE is being sent there to racially profile Latinx-looking voters, who are something like 20% of the total. ICE takes the position that even Real ID drivers licenses are no longer enough for them.

Anyone who takes the position that they are not going to a concentration camp alive and is even remotely Latinx looking is going to think long and hard about going inside if they arrive at a polling place alone and find ICE agents outside staring at them.

I believe ICE is going to have to be stopped by force as in Minneapolis. Deportation flights from that city have plunged to low levels since Jan 14 and are being kept down by the continuing fighting there.

Jan 14 was the day ICE shot someone inside their own home and then tried to lie about it. A neighborhood uprising ensued, and ICE threatened more gunfire. After neighborhood residents threatened to return fire, ICE retreated back to the highway and was pursued. They abandoned their cars, leading to the destruction of the cars, the capture of weapons, and that treasure trove of captured intel including even their challenge coins.

From then on, every time ICE got into a fight in Minneapolis, they had to assume there were guns in the crowd. They are bullies not soldiers, so more and more of their kidnapping attempts after Jn 14 have ended in failure. Often ICE has been chased away and there have been many successful unarrests.

All of this means the door for Trump to cancel the elections is now bolted and barricaded, though he may still seek to batter it down.

If he needs a Reichstag fire he will use the Iran War, as it would trigger less domestic pushback to blame Iran for a blown up refinery that to blame "antifa" for a burned down empty warehouse assuming its used for an excuse to cancel or "secure" an election.

In fact, I think Trump started the Iran War in response to his defeat in Minneapolis. It has mushroomed out of control, threatening to merge with both the civil war here and the war in Europe into a third world war.

Now we have the age of enlistment being boosted to 42 in the US, Volkswagon having to retool a car plant to make air defense systems (which may be needed domestically in Germany the way this is going), and Trump yakking about bringing back the draft (with his bone spurs?)

@LukefromDC @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

luke:

we can brave the polling place and maybe go to the concentration camps

or we can avoid the polling place and then we *will* be going to the concentration camps

that's our only choice