No, Cadbury Hasn’t ‘Removed Easter’ From Easter Eggs.

No one's removing the word "Easter" from packaging, chocolate eggs have nothing to do with Christianity in any case, and some very sinister groups are trying to convince us all that Muslims are offended by much loved British traditions and trying to get them banned.

https://monkdebunks.substack.com/p/no-cadbury-hasnt-removed-easter-from

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No, Cadbury Hasn’t ‘Removed Easter’ From Easter Eggs

Chocolate eggs have never been consistently labelled with the word ‘Easter’, so why does this claim keep resurfacing?

Monk Debunks: Beyond the narrative
It's pathetic really. Like wouldn't it be nice if we, in the UK, as a culture, were excited when new ideas and traditions come in instead of being scared and angry? Instead of inventing "You can't say Easter on eggs anymore" wouldn't it be nice if we went "Hey, these people have brought a festival where you can suddenly get really nice dates in pretty boxes and there are lovely shared suppers after dusk?"
It's like when the UK women's team did so well in the World Cup, and a bunch of miserable old gits started mithering on about how women's football wasn't real football. And meanwhile my Dad was delighted that now there was twice as much football on TV as there used to be. Not only was he not making a nuisance of himself whingeing on Facebook, he was actually happier. Almost like actually embracing something a bit new and a bit different is actually a nicer way to live.
But the rightwing media does love telling people anything new and different is a threat. I know why they do it of course, it's to stop us paying attention to that fact we're getting dragged into a stupid war to appease a paedophile with dementia, but I wish people didn't fall for it so easily.
It's like the uproar about Tesco replacing barcodes with QR codes, as if a change to the details of the stock management system used by a supermarket has any impact whatsoever on the lives of anyone who doesn't work in Tesco's logistics department. But suddenly some rightwing hack vomits up a thinkpiece about how QR codes are woke and suddenly everyone's waxing nostalgic about how the play of sunlight on the black and white stripes of a barcode takes them back to happy childhood afternoons shopping for salad cream and pickled eggs with their dear departed grandmother.

But yes, in conclusion everyone's life would be better if we understood that everything new isn't a threat.

Except with software. Then it probably is.

@afewbugs There's an uproar about that..? Do you have a link please? I know one of the people behind the new labels and I think he might be interested...

@afewbugs I remember a while back that there was similar fuss because sainsbury’s and a few others switched to a different sort of packaging for minced beef. (Softer plastic so presumably less waste.)

People were calling it disgusting and unnatural. Idk, if you’re uncomfortable with meat I can sympathise but I don’t think it’s the packaging to blame here.

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That one is actually a bad thing. It completely fucks the texture of the meat up and it's harder to cook the way everyone's used to. I don't normally whinge about these things but I'm glad Tesco still do it in non vac pack packaging.
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@jamesb yeah I do actually think it’s worse in that regard.

I just found the way the online complaints were phrased quite amusing

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@benjamineskola
Telling the complainers to go to their local Halal butcher instead because the meat is better quality is always fun if you have some spare popcorn.
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@afewbugs That would absolutely play havoc with the livelihood of barcode battler players

@bovaz @afewbugs

Is barcode battler still "a thing"?

@pseudonym @afewbugs I was playing it with a friend a few months back
@afewbugs Oh good grief, people just look for stuff to be annoyed about.
@afewbugs That's exactly how my dad feels about the women's football. "Oh, good, more football on telly." Lovely to hear your dad's the same.
@astronomerritt during half time he once accidentally made himself a cup of tea using one of the quince teabags I left at theirs, said "This is quite good actually" and went back to the match with it, and I sat there thinking "This is the future liberals want"
@afewbugs Funny how much nicer life is for people who can simply accept change and difference, isn't it?
@astronomerritt @afewbugs My dad's that way too in many things and I thank my lucky stars.

@afewbugs I once had a train seat across from a table of white middle aged men who were chatting loudly and I was like "aw man here we go" but they got talking about women's football and all agreed that they preferred it to the men's because the quality of play was so much higher.

It's nice when people don't live down to stereotypes. :)

@bright_helpings I had a similar experience in a previous job, working in an office of male engineers. One of them got talking about how he'd picked his wife up after a concert at the weekend, and they had agreed to meet in a pub near the venue. He got there early and only then realised the pub was a gay bar. So he said he started worrying that gay men would see him on his own and flirt with him. And I was sitting there dreading what was coming next.
@bright_helpings but then he said that no one hit on him, and after a while he started feeling really self conscious and worrying he was ugly because no one had. So he started smiling at random men, and by the time his wife turned up one had come over and chatted to him so he felt better 😂
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Heh, that's a little bit adorable!
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I once worked on a project for live poker games.
What made the chat feature worthwhile was the Ladies event. The play was hot and the live chat was a lot of fun, we drove a bunch of attention that the women's tables don't usually get, and people really enjoyed it.
(Aside, one white dude pro gambler entered anticipating an easy win. Half the chat for the first couple hands was him being mocked, then he got spanked and busted out. Twice.).
@bright_helpings @afewbugs Back in January I was getting my bathroom refitted and at one point I could hear two of the electricians talking about bread, and one was saying how much he loved seeded breads, with a good nutty flavour to them, while the other talked about his sister teaching him how to make sourdough bread - which he said was a bit of a faff, but well worth the trouble. Just a couple of northern, working-class tradesmen, who surely don't want any of that fancy woke bread. 😉
@beecycling Aw that's lovely. And he's so right about how much better seeded bread is. :) @afewbugs
@beecycling @bright_helpings @afewbugs Always good to upend people's expectations. As a northern-born working class lad I got a leg up by going to teacher training college and became a Design & Tech teacher. Working in a school 'darn sarf' I was asked by a surprised snooty colleague why I was attending a school play when I was a 'woodwork' teacher. Because I like drama? A year later the next school play was a sci fi —and I wrote it.

@afewbugs TIL mithering. I like it.

But yes that. It’s an extra thing. You might like it. Or not, then simply keep watching the old thing that nobody took away.

@afewbugs I had a boss who was a huge women’s ‘soccer’ fan, and preferred it to the men’s.

“Well, they’re easier on the eyes, aren’t they?” he said.

I felt the reverse, of course, but I couldn’t really argue the principle involved. 😇

@afewbugs 'Tis the season
@wav3ydave @afewbugs It is a bit annoying that this calendar is not properly updated every year.
@jfparis @wav3ydave @afewbugs Hey, you're not allowed to be just "a bit annoyed" about something now. It's outrage/fury or nothing.
@beecycling @wav3ydave @afewbugs I taought of that when I typed my toot earlier
@wav3ydave @afewbugs This is why (popular) social media has such a negative impact on society. It's the tabloid press, but for social engineering. Outrage drives engagement, so the algorithm feeds people more and more nonsense they can get angry about, and that drives hate and fear. Sometimes I think it's not enough to ban it for under 16s, we should just ban it outright. But bans never work, so what we really need is for people to be more educated about what's being done to them.

@wav3ydave @afewbugs And, as I'm watching Andor S1 again in preparation for watching S2, I'm reminded of the quote, "The pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it..." When people are being engineered into a state of perpetual outrage, they aren't paying attention to the grift and how the 1% are hoovering up all the resources despite having most of them already. Never mind the insider dealing, WHAT ABOUT THE EASTER EGGS?

This is why education is the enemy of fascism.

@ravenbait @wav3ydave @afewbugs Very funny thing there... My LinkedIn feed looks a lot like my Fediverse feed, if very slightly more narrowly focused. Despite the majority of my LinkedIn connections being people I've worked with, what I see there are anti-genocide and anti-fascist posts, public health posts. Only rarely anything else.

Here I get to see more animals and crafts, more technology and geekiness. More general fun in addition to entirely reasonable reactions of horror. But a quick glance shows that the algorithm there isn't wildly far off of my self-selection here, despite the connections there being significantly more numerous.

I'm far happier here. I feel like I can be myself more.

@mason @wav3ydave @afewbugs I can't really comment on LinkedIn. I pay zero attention to it. I surmise there's more of a requirement to seem professional and consider what potential future employers might think, whereas other places might be a bit more like being angry down the pub.

I wish we could get people in those other places to think, "If I read this in the Sun, would I believe it?" Random Internet Person is the modern Sunday Sport.

I agree that it's much nicer here.

@ravenbait @wav3ydave @afewbugs There's definitely a concern with LinkedIn about what employers might think, but I'd come to the "do you know what you world have done during the Holocaust?" realization and it made it hard to burble on about how great everything is, and I skewed from the environmental and technology stuff I'd post before to posting about the genocide and the attack on DEI and ICE crimes and so forth.

I moderate what I say and never boost attacks, never make blanket condemnations, but I post some uncomfortable stuff there. I'm sure I've limited career options, but my soul feels easy -I'm definitely trying to be part of the solution. And I don't want to work for a place that can look at some of the stuff that's happening, shrug, and go back to planning quarterly growth strategy.

(I post about doughnut economics sometimes, re: quarterly growth and the popular illusion that endless economic growth is somehow allowed by the laws of physics.)

@mason @wav3ydave @afewbugs I meant more that the kind of people who would post things like, "Cyclists deserve to die if they choose to use the road," "Britain is turning into an Islamist state," or "Climate change is a hoax so the government can lock us in our houses" wouldn't post such things on LinkedIn as it's an obvious point against them for a future employer. If an employer would scrub me from selection for posting anti-fash stuff, I wouldn't want to work for them anyway.

@mason On economics, I've been reading up on the Growth Duty in the UK lately, and the UK government guidance requires regulators to take into account medium and long-term growth. They have redefined "sustainable economic growth":

"‘Sustainable economic growth’ ensures that current-day economic growth can be achieved without undermining the ability of future growth."

Which is not what the UN says at all, even though they refer to this.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66476caebd01f5ed32793e09/final_growth_duty_statutory_guidance_2024.pdf

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@mason It does my head in that government thinks there's a magic spell that will mean we can continue getting more and more STUFF and people will get more and more MONEY, and the proper measure of how well a country is doing is how much is in the bank account, not "are people fed and safe and happy?" or "are we adequately balancing the needs of nature and biodiversity with the population having enough?"

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@ravenbait @wav3ydave @afewbugs It's easier to understand the attitudes and behaviours of folks who believe in limitless growth if we think of it in one of two (not mutually exclusive) frames:

1. It's religion, and they are taught not to question.

2. They're aware but selfish, and it doesn't need to be sustainable as long as "I got mine".

@mason @wav3ydave @afewbugs For non-UK persons, the Sunday Sport was the tabloid of all tabloid presses. It was more like the National Tattler from Red Dragon than anything resembling a proper newspaper. You can see some of the "fun" headlines here (not my flickr account):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/62440303@N04/albums/72157626637970276/

Sunday Sport - Classic Headlines

When Sunday Sport returns to newsagents across Britain on May 8, you can expect plenty more amazing headlines such as this classic. The paper will boast even more topless babes, outrageous headlines, topless babes, shocking true-life stories, topless babes, sport, puzzles, topless babes, monkeys, frankly less-than-respectful headlines for celebrity deaths, some more monkeys, topless babes, amusing foreigners, topless babes…and some news, probably. There’ll also be some women in it. Without their vests on. Sunday Sport on Facebook - www.facebook.com/sundaysport Sunday Sport on Twitter - www.twitter.com/thesundaysport

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@wav3ydave @afewbugs Typical Northern Hemisphere bias... :)
@afewbugs that will happen when big retail finds a way to monetise it.
@afewbugs blow a bigot’s mind by telling them Jesus could never have tasted chocolate since he lived over 1500 years before it was introduced to the old world.

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So hard to know how much of this faux outrage is engineered.

Given events in the US: a lot.

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How does anyone live in the US or the UK as a Christian and manage to feel oppressed?

I say this as a Christian.

But then they think that the oppression is going to be something oblique and subtile? Which only shows a total lack of imagination or experience with religious oppression.

Which is happening now to Muslims and to Jewish people in both the US and UK.

Meanwhile I can start talking about Jesus at any moment and nobody cares.

@futurebird @afewbugs it's not really 'people' it's a very established, well funded, right wing press that constantly churns out flimsy outrage stories like this and has done for decades.

Don't think anyone would independently come up with this idea themselves.

Edit: specific example I remember was 'left wing councils are cancelling Christmas' in the mid to late '90s. Found it on wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterval

Winterval - Wikipedia

@catch56 @futurebird @afewbugs of course, in the UK, despite our King being head of the Church of England as well as head of state and Anglican bishops still voting in the House of Lords, as of our last census Christians are actually a (very much not persecuted) minority in England and Wales (46%) and those of no religion are a majority in Scotland (51%). This compares with 74% professed Christians in the (constitutionally non-religious) USA.

Time we disestablished the Church of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

Religion in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

@futurebird @afewbugs even more so in the UK where our church is an established church that the king is head of, couldn't be any less oppressed than that
@futurebird @afewbugs Projection, and I suspect some of that is appropriation directly from the Jewish community, at least in the US. I wonder at times if it was astroturfed in the US and exported to the UK via Murdoch media. I don’t think Christian oppression had been a dominant narrative for several centuries - except in missionary communities, which one will notice are a big deal in evangelicalism.
@futurebird @afewbugs Christianity fetishises being oppressed. Half of the Bible is about being a persecuted minority religion, and the obsession with the martyrdom of saints until the Reformation (until the present day for the Catholics) didn't help either.
@afewbugs Every. Single. Year.
@afewbugs We get to enjoy the same discussion for both easter and christmas in Germany. Seems a little uncreative... I thought they were against globalisation... Anyways, my favourite down to earth explanation in both cases is: If your supermarket is selling a hundred different brands of chocolate thingies with slight variations on shapes and fillings, you really don't want all of them to go under "Easter egg" in your system.