Liam ProvenRT @ghidraninja
Simple age check for Linux:
Just have the shell ask the user to check the host IP on first boot.
If they type ifconfig they are old enough, if they type ip addr they deserve to be restricted from their computer ๐
Allen but one of the good ones@lproven Heh, so how do I rank, given that I ifconfig on *BSD and ip a on Linux? ๐
BSD? You're already a pervert weirdo, and further damage due to The Innernet is fairly unlikely.
Pass!
Big fan of pervert weirdos. :-D
Tobias Hellgren@lproven Before connecting at all, pppgo
There there, grandad. Sit down and don't get too excited.
Adam Pigg@piggz My brother!
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Shannon Quinn 
@lproven I can literally never remember โip addrโ, but โifconfigโ is about as baked into my muscle memory as breathing
Jon
Don Thompson@lproven
Maybe youโve hit on a thing there.
Pass โgoโ if you can provide a customer bill from
a long demised ISP.
I reckon I could dig out a Demon Internet statement, pre-Scottish Telcom/Thus days.
Maybe youโve hit on a thing there.
Pass โgoโ if you can provide a customer bill from
a long demised ISP.
I reckon I could dig out a Demon Internet statement, pre-Scottish Telcom/Thus days.
@guardeddon I remember when the idea of Demon was being discussed in cix:tenner_a_month.
Slash909uk@lproven @guardeddon wow that triggered a memory! slurping news on cix.... on dialup. Nice.
Greem (Graeme. Not Graham!)@lproven How about
netstat -ie ?
Nate Metzger@lproven Alternatively if they use apt-get instead of apt
Jyrgen N@alphapuggle @lproven Which I do. I find aptโs output decoration annoying, and in case of โapt searchโ counter-productive.
derptron@lproven I don't know. The ip command has been the standard for at least a decade. Doesn't even come standard on many Linux based OS's. Might instead think of the ifconfig user, "This person learned this tool 20 years ago and then decided they were an expert and never adapted."
I'm over 50 and have been using Linux based OS's for over 25 years. So yeah, still too young but I'll just run you over, old man because I don't give a fuck about your stupid rules.
Ben Ford 
@binford2k @lproven Caught on, did you? Good! :)
Dave Fischeruucico...
MysticLavender 
@lproven I'm not young. I'm just lazy.
Olivier Forget@lproven ah damn I spent so much time retraining myself to use ip a
Dan McDonald
Malcolm Herbert
Rainer Kรถnig
katzenbergerThe proper way to handle this under Linux is to wipe the current installation, and to replace it by a distro free from that "verification" crap.
@katzenberger I think you rather missed the point here...
jon r@lproven
I don't know. The RT might certainly have been triggered by the age verification discussion.
Anyway, I started with ifconfig and now use the more modern ip a. The argument in the joke doesn't really work for people who stay up to date.
@katzenberger
Administrator@lproven Simple personality check for the Internet:
If you got upset about this post instead of chuckling about it like you were supposed to, maybe go meditate
sen@mdm @lproven @blogdiva An exclusionary joke is an exclusionary joke, a joke about age doesnโt have to be an exclusionary joke.
I donโt know how old the original post/joke is, but with multiple age verification systems being implemented around the world, the joke goes beyond exclusionary towards actively punching down.
If you canโt handle some mild criticism about a joke, maybe go meditate.
Cassandrich
(hic/haec/hoc)@lproven I trained myself to use ip and its subcommands years ago because they give you access to all the cool networking stuff you can do with linux that people stuck with ifconfig probably don't even know exists... but ss for netstat, that one I truly can't force myself to use
Fooker@_hic_haec_hoc @lproven OK, now you've gotten me curious, what can ip do that we couldn't before systemd decided to fuck with the basic principals?
@Fooker @lproven first things that come to mind are network namespaces, policy-based routing, VRFs, tunnels, QoS... and then all the subcommands have a similar syntax which follows the same principles everywhere instead of each one going its own way (like it was with ifconfig, vconfig, brctl, arp and so on) and there are a lot of quality-of-life improvements everywhere (for example I love how you can just copy a line of the output of 'ip r l' and use it as it is with 'ip r d')
Erik Ableson
XCondE
Tim Panton@lproven I've found myself typing
dig +short ip @dns.toys
does this mean I'm banned from polite society ?
HP van Braam@lproven how about "list the listening tcp ports"
Pieter Lexis@lproven embrace modernity, use ip after checking uname :)
If they type ipconfig, they should be permantly banned. /s
nieuemma@SpaceLifeForm @lproven I just type 'ip a'
oneiromanticor@lproven in ancient times I decided IP add has nicer looking output
@oneiromanticor It absolutely was _not_ "ancient".
It looks to have gone mainstream about a decade ago:
https://lwn.net/Articles/710533/
As far as I can see, `iproute` was first introduced the same year that I installed my first Linux distro -- 1996.
https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/i/iproute2/unstable_changelog
Ancient it's not. Fancy modern and new-fangled, I call it.
@lproven well, it existed on my first ever linux installation, when I left Windows XP and its successors forever behind. So maybe we just have different ideas of what to call ancient times ๐
Marcel@zipferlak As I said earlier in the thread:
My brother!
Post Tenebras Metal ๐ค@lproven Never heard about "ip addr"
That's a real command ?????
That's a real command ?????
Odd
Douglas Spencer@lproven Bah, I just listen to the vibrations of the proximal yoghurt pot when the header of the IP packet is passed from the main frame onto the bit of string.
Rob Ricci
Sven Geggus