Random thought.

If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

Support your local library.

@davidnjoku You should see how hostile ebook publishers are to libraries.
@si_fuller Sorry, but in most countries that I know, a library is much more than printed books. They have their systems for ebooks as well! I also get newspapers, magazines, and audiobooks. @davidnjoku
@NatureMC @si_fuller @davidnjoku both things are not only compatible, but they are synergic:
- libraries offering a wide range of cultural items.
- ebook publishers hating them (for lending ebooks too!).
@davidnjoku I'd buy all the ground water.
Tiago Peixoto (@[email protected])

In 2013 Aaron Swartz committed suicide for facing 35 years in prison for mass downloading scientific articles. 13 years later, Meta is almost getting away with an infraction orders of magnitude larger. The law didn't change. https://torrentfreak.com/uploading-pirated-books-via-bittorrent-qualifies-as-fair-use-meta/

social.skewed.de
@[email protected] Many libraries were originally sponsored by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie.

@nowster @davidnjoku

‘Andrew Carnegie supported libraries because he believed access to knowledge was essential for self-improvement, merit-based success, and community advancement. As a formerly poor immigrant, he credited his own success to having free access to books, calling libraries "ladders upon which the aspiring may climb"’ Wikipedia

These ideas really didn’t used to be controversial or identifiable with a particular side of the political spectrum.

@JugglingWithEggs @nowster @davidnjoku these days, people with absurd amounts of money get their kicks by pushing everyone else off the ladder
(And I'm sure many did in Carnegie's time as well. All it takes is a few privileged people using their privilege for good, and we don't even have that right now.)
@nowster Yes but the idea of libraries is much older and much more international than him. @davidnjoku
@davidnjoku Literally just got back from printing a job I had from our public library. They are a godsend and I don't know what we'd do without them.

@davidnjoku

In like thinking, if solar energy was free the oil & gas industry would do everything in their power to ensure it was not used …

@davidnjoku I volunteer at our local library and I have yet to see any bezos there

@davidnjoku

What does capitalism have to do with the fact most people are stupid enough to get locked into a walled garden where they don't really buy anything but pay for a subscription?

What does capitalism have to do with the fact that we are being pushed into a future where we essentially own nothing and we're supposed to be happy about it?

Neither of these things are a fundamental part of capitalism.

@Kalki_Rider They seem directly connected, to me. Capitalism causes both of them.

@davidnjoku

@woozle @davidnjoku Then you don't know the definition of capitalism. In capitalism, owning things is generally seen as a good thing.

@Kalki_Rider

Yes, that is correct. Capitalism says nothing, however, about ensuring that ownership is equitable, fair, or even common.

@davidnjoku

@woozle @davidnjoku Well then, on the same token, Communism and Socialism must both fundamentally lead to totalitarianism.

@Kalki_Rider

Why would you suggest that socialism leads to totalitarianism?

@davidnjoku

@woozle @davidnjoku Show me where it hasn't.

@Kalki_Rider All of Scandinavia?

You're viewing our current situation in a short-sighted way. Paying for subs means we're basically renting... from the rich person who owns the material or rights.

The landlord is a part of capitalism.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Scandinavia doesn't exactly have the best speech laws. Let alone privacy.

@Kalki_Rider They're better off than where we are, and worlds better than where we're going.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@solitha @woozle @davidnjoku No, they are not. Say the wrong thing there and the police will come to your door. Fail to comply with their complaints and you will suffer. This is not freedom.

@Kalki_Rider They are the strongest democracies in the world, with the highest dedication to human rights.

I don't know where you are, but my US is failing in both metrics, rapidly.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Human rights which don't include freedom of speech or expression. Also, they are a nation of no account or importance.

@Kalki_Rider I'm not sure you have any idea what you're talking about.

Scandinavia is not "a nation". They are multiple nations. The strongest democracies. The highest rankings for human rights. The happiest citizens, well-educated and healthy, with high trust for their governments. Because they fought for, and won, socialist democracies.

Everything you've said otherwise describes the US, a toxic capitalism falling into totalitarianism via the few who own everything.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@solitha @woozle @davidnjoku It is of no account. And, it is not a free democracy. Call it what you like, but it's no better than any other European cesspit as far as freedom goes.

@Kalki_Rider I think you fell into a propaganda trap of some sort.

"not a free democracy" 🙃

From your profile, looks like you fell into the same trap with religion.

Hope you get out of it and get to see the world as it is, not what you're told.

I'm done. Muting now.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@solitha Look at the profile. Typical trolling, nearly no followers. @[email protected] @woozle @davidnjoku
@NatureMC Yeah, look at mine. I don't judge by that metric, at least not on its own. Sometimes people have reasons.
@solitha That's different! I look at the combination of trolling/followers visible at their post & replies. The ratio between troll comments and followers is often 100:1. 😉
You don't troll.

@NatureMC I might, or might come across as if I am, but it's not something I try to do.

I actually didn't see a lot of trolling in his profile. Just this thread, and a reply to someone else indicating Islamophobia.

🤷

@Kalki_Rider

You think that doesn't happen in capitalist-rentier states?

@solitha @woozle @davidnjoku

@Kalki_Rider

Even if true, that has nothing to do with socialism.

@solitha @davidnjoku

@woozle @solitha @davidnjoku Oh but it does. Because it's basically a pyramid scheme that requires authoritarianism to keep in place for any extended period of time. Until the inevitable collapse, that is.

@Kalki_Rider

Socialism is not a pyramid scheme nor does it require authoritarianism. It tends to work against authoritarianism, in fact, by diluting concentrations of power.

...unless you are defining "socialism" quite differently than I am -- perhaps you could share your definition? ...that is to say, what characteristics identify a system as "socialist"?

@solitha @davidnjoku

@Kalki_Rider @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku You have a point. Here in USA, you don't even have to say a damn thing and ICE will still show up and abduct you and your kids. Failure to comply doesn't lead to suffering, just summary execution. Is this freedom to you?
@Supervinh47 @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Ice can't do anything to US citizens.

@Kalki_Rider

I guess you haven't been keeping up with the news? Yes, they have abducted many US citizens. Some are still in custody. Some have managed to get released, but with no compensation or any consequence to the abductors.

@Supervinh47 @solitha @davidnjoku

@Kalki_Rider

The post-war social democracies of Europe showed the lowest income inequality and the greatest social mobility of any Western region ever.

Admittedly those advances only existed because members of the various European Establishments were petrified of permanently losing their privileged status to a socialist state, but the principle stands.

@woozle @davidnjoku

@Kalki_Rider

Not purist, Austrian free market capitalism maybe, but the sad reality is that the Austrian purists were suckered by avaricious rent seekers wanting to recreate the Gilded Age for the sake of their own prosperity.

@davidnjoku

@davidnjoku “Imagine there was no such thing as a library, and that members of the current neoliberal policy consensus were to sit down today and invent it.”

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/citizen-coupon

Citizen Coupon - Dissent Magazine

Conservatives and neoliberals envision a government that provides a comparable range of benefits to the one advocated by earlier American liberals. But rather than designing and delivering services directly, the neoliberal government provides coupons for citizens.

Dissent Magazine

@davidnjoku

Oddly many towns main public library was built with funding from one of the original slave driving capitalists like JJHill. More or less as monuments to themselves.

@davidnjoku @MeaningfulBits

Free books? That’s some super socialist shit, there!

@davidnjoku I had an acquaintance in Oregon, whose county decided to vote to cut taxes, gutting the library's budget.
@davidnjoku he's already trying to destroy them, eg by making audiobooks "Audible exclusive" and blocking libraries from accessing Audible, not allowing libraries to receive Amazon deliveries, etc
@dwillanski Didn't know Arnie the Amazon delivery thing. That's so petty

@davidnjoku @cascheranno If you read the opinion in the case of all 5 publishers against the Internet Archive, you'll find their reasoning applies just as well if you remove the 'e' from "ebook" throughout. Which means the precedent is set; they're just waiting for the right time.

They will, sooner or later, get around to declaring libraries illegal, since they clearly "pirate" books by allowing people to read them without paying.

@davidnjoku Much as it's fun to beat down on the super-rich, there's a huge flaw in that claim.

In America and Britain at least, a huge number of both countries' libraries were originally started and funded by donations from Andrew Carnegie.

He was very much an equivalent to today's tech billionaires -- he was the wealthiest man in the world, literally richer than Rockefeller -- but at the end of his life he used his money for good rather than evil.

@losttourist

True, but Carnegie was also something of an aberration in billionaire terms, and as an advocate for wealth and estate taxes, he was an outlier compared to the vast majority of billionaires at the time and a complete anathema to the tax-dodging billionaires of today.

@davidnjoku

@losttourist @davidnjoku

and like Nobel, he did it when someone pricked his bubble and showed what people really thought of him.

He wanted to whitewash his business practices.

@davidnjoku

As a minor tangent, can you imagine what the internet would look like today if it had been designed by librarians wanting universal access to information rather than billionaires wanting to lock information behind a paywall?

@ReggieHere it was designed that way wasn’t it? And then we poured the money on top. And starting in 1997 I became part of the problem

@davidnjoku

@urlyman

Yes, so many of us were dragged into the IT industry at that time, regardless of what we may have previously studied or trained to do.

In the 1990s I remember reading an article, not dissimilar to the 'Will AI replace my job?' articles we have today, and 'Librarian' topped a list of professions that would no longer exist in the newly-computerised world.

@davidnjoku

@ReggieHere I was lured in by reading Wired articles even though I sensed back then that much of it was full of shit.

@davidnjoku