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Graphene has bad things to say about its competitors. What is the Truth?
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Does GOS' comment have in mind Volla #SailfishOS or UbuntuTouch? I am not a fan of Ubuntu much but love Debian. Volla, however is just way over-priced for most people outside the EU who can not order it anyway. Maybe GOS rates UbuntuTouch as a low grade product.
But Sailfish makes use of #firejail, which is very comprehensive on the command line level. If an app on GOS is not using
Compatibilty Mode, then it might be better off than with firejail or at least on par in terms of sandboxing. There are of course other factors.

Mainly, just wanted to make the point of distinguishing hardware projects from software projects here.

How would you rate Postmarket OS' security strategy (on Fairphone, for example)?

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Show threadGrapheneOSMar 9
@indietechnews @postmarketOS You're mistaken about any of those being competitors to GrapheneOS. SailfishOS and Ubuntu Touch are the direct opposite of privacy and security hardened operating systems. They're far less private and secure than the Android Open Source Project or even LineageOS. They're going in the direct opposite direction of GrapheneOS from AOSP by combining the issues of low-end Android devices with a much less private and secure software stack. They're not in the same space.
Show threadGrapheneOSMar 9
@indietechnews @postmarketOS SailfishOS has very poor privacy and atrocious security. The portions of the OS they make themselves are largely closed source. It's a massive regression from the privacy and especially security of the Android Open Source Project even without the major GrapheneOS improvements. It's strange it's marketed based on using open source as the foundation when they don't open source most of what they actually made themselves. Android Open Source Project is a complete OS.
Show threadGrapheneOSMar 9
@indietechnews @postmarketOS SailfishOS doesn't provide anything close to bare minimum privacy and security patches. It lacks many important standard privacy and security protections. Their Android compatibility layer completely breaks the Android security model and sandboxing. Putting a weaker and incomplete sandbox around the overall compatibility system isn't a substitute for the standard security model, not to mention that it's super outdated and not getting basic patches itself.
Show threadGrapheneOSMar 9
@indietechnews @postmarketOS Jolla has spent years attacking GrapheneOS and other projects based on the Android Open Source Project. They portray their non-open-source OS as somehow being an open alternative. They plaster EU flags everywhere and market it as having European values and yet they closely partnered with Putin's Russian government in 2015. They ended up with a huge portion of Jolla owned by Russia and only got rid of Russia's ownership in 2024. Are these their European values?
Show threadGrapheneOSMar 9

@indietechnews @postmarketOS Yesterday, a contributor to Ubuntu Touch posted a whole bunch of extraordinarily inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS on X in a malicious attempt to cause harm to our project. Many of the claims are quite clearly fabrications rather than simply being misinformed. We debunked this here:

https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2030402535463506069

Murena, iodé and Ubuntu Touch have been attacking GrapheneOS for a long time with misrepresentations and false claims including personal attacks on our team.

GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS) on X

We've written this post as a thorough debunking of extraordinarily inaccurate and misinformed claims being made about GrapheneOS. The main post making these claims is linked at the bottom. A growing number of our apps are built and signed separately from the OS to provide

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Show threaddoubleubeeMar 9

@indietechnews @postmarketOS @WeAreFairphone @linmob

Indeed, its almost as if they love to make their opponents looks bad or something. Of course they wouldn't do that. Thats silly.

This single project is obviously being bullied and harassed by every other project in the same sphere! For shame!

They certainly do not make claims about projects that annoy that projects followers and when they bite back claim bullying and harassment. They wouldn't stoop to that level.

Best ROM ever!

Show threadricharddebruinMar 9
@doubleubee @indietechnews @postmarketOS @WeAreFairphone @linmob and after that they give you a block (that kind of silly level)
Show threadGareth KitchenMar 10
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It's not that they have bad things to say it's just that @GrapheneOS has to point out that those others brands operate in a different space; mass market.

GrapheneOS is the gold standard for privacy and security and runs on a limited but technically superior range of hardware. The others run on a broader range of less secure hardware and run on less advanced OS's.

Most users who are aware of the threat models will understand the trade offs.

In simple terms running anything other than GrapheneOS puts you at risk. No amount of slick/dodgy marketing can negate that!

But for the average Joe who just wants to de-google they probably don't care too much and won't look any further than a polished web site. Sad, but true.
Show threadGareth KitchenMar 10
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