Jef Poskanzer
D2@jef feels like one could do dates tied to Brit colonialist declarations that reestablished Israel right over the top of indigenous/ resident people, the six day war, etc.
Martin Kostera@D2 Jews are indigenous ppl of that territory. Learn basics.
@martin yes. Read again; I didn’t say they weren’t. But _israel_, by degrees in ‘17, ‘48, ‘67, was a Jewish state plopped on top of a multicultural region, with non-Jews’ rights and ownership violated. Regardless of anti-Israel counterattacks and intifada, those kind of rhyme with Dr Manhattan’s musing.
@D2 What rights or property have been violated? What are you talking about? Israel uses a modified Ottoman system (just like the British Mandate). There has been no revolution in this regard.
Israeli Arabs enjoy the highest level of civil liberties in the entire MENA region. What are you talking about?
Israeli Arabs enjoy the highest level of civil liberties in the entire MENA region. What are you talking about?
@martin a minute ago you said I needed to study history, now you’re pretending that Israel formed without controversy or impact. Fuuuuuuck that’s some chutzpah.
@D2 Never wrote it was without impact. It's nonsense.
I'm asking about your "rights and property violations".
I'm asking about your "rights and property violations".
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Not that you’re predictable, but let me just offer your next whattaboutism:
“Israel negates or denies the atrocities it committed, claiming that many of the expelled Palestinians left willingly or that their expulsion was necessary and unavoidable.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
@D2 Wiki has terrible antisemite bias.
The vast majority of people fled the war. Just like in Ukraine. That's not a "Nakba," is it? All civilians flee before war. What a surprise! The ones who were actually systematically expelled were the Jews. But #NoJewNoNews They didn't get any support from the UN.
Another group of Israeli Arabs was instructed to leave the country to create international pressure on Israel.
These immigrants caused a crisis in Jordan (the Arab part of the British Mandate of Palestine), culminating in Black September. Then there was a real ethnic cleansing. Arabs of Israeli origin were expelled from Jordan. Mostly to Lebanon. And then they started causing trouble there and caused government crises from which Lebanon has not yet recovered. It is no secret that no one wants them on their territory. Look at the brutal border walls between Gaza and Egypt.
And last but not least, the Arabs started the war against Israel. Both the Israeli Arabs and those from the surrounding area. Immediately after the declaration of the State of Israel on the basis of a UN resolution. Why? Because the Arabs wanted the entire territory for themselves and wanted to eliminate or at least expel the Jews, the original inhabitants of the territory.
Of the 150,000 Arabs who remained in Israel, they now(2 millions) have the most civil rights in the entire MENA region. They are in parliament, the army; the highest judge (an Arab) tried the former Israeli prime minister (a Jew) 😁, etc. None of them lost anything, no "property violations." An Arab commander with Jewish subordinates defended a kibbutz from a genocidal attack from Gaza 7.10.2023; he is an Israeli hero. And here, wave to an Israeli Muslim Arab woman:
#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Ella
The vast majority of people fled the war. Just like in Ukraine. That's not a "Nakba," is it? All civilians flee before war. What a surprise! The ones who were actually systematically expelled were the Jews. But #NoJewNoNews They didn't get any support from the UN.
Another group of Israeli Arabs was instructed to leave the country to create international pressure on Israel.
These immigrants caused a crisis in Jordan (the Arab part of the British Mandate of Palestine), culminating in Black September. Then there was a real ethnic cleansing. Arabs of Israeli origin were expelled from Jordan. Mostly to Lebanon. And then they started causing trouble there and caused government crises from which Lebanon has not yet recovered. It is no secret that no one wants them on their territory. Look at the brutal border walls between Gaza and Egypt.
And last but not least, the Arabs started the war against Israel. Both the Israeli Arabs and those from the surrounding area. Immediately after the declaration of the State of Israel on the basis of a UN resolution. Why? Because the Arabs wanted the entire territory for themselves and wanted to eliminate or at least expel the Jews, the original inhabitants of the territory.
Of the 150,000 Arabs who remained in Israel, they now(2 millions) have the most civil rights in the entire MENA region. They are in parliament, the army; the highest judge (an Arab) tried the former Israeli prime minister (a Jew) 😁, etc. None of them lost anything, no "property violations." An Arab commander with Jewish subordinates defended a kibbutz from a genocidal attack from Gaza 7.10.2023; he is an Israeli hero. And here, wave to an Israeli Muslim Arab woman:
#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Ella
