R.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 4
Oh man, the #MacbookNeo is giving me pre-unibody 2008 #Macbook vibes. RESIIIIISST!!! — #microblogging #MicroToot: 84 characters
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@rl_dane

Let me help you:
_$700 for 8GB of non upgradeable RAM_

That said, love the idea of fun and friendly machines coming back. Really looking forward to the death of depressing grey monoliths.

Mar 5 at 1:30amWeb
Show threadMoses IzumiMar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
Yeah, at that point you might as well be using a phone/tablet in a docking station as your primary computer.

Every time I look at the CrowView et. al. I think about building a more opinionated version of the same thing.
- battery bank (ATX PSU, USB-PD)
- a VESA mount behind the screen, to hold some little office PC
- drive bays
- swappable keyboards
- expresscard over thunderbolt(!)

Speaking of fun and friendly computers: how are your homemade ITX cases going?
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@moses_izumi @rl_dane

Currently a bit stalled while I try to find a good source of small form factor power supplies that aren't absolutely terrible but also don't cost three times what I would consider reasonable

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

We're currently in the Cuba phase of supply chain. XD 🤦‍♂️

Show threadMoses IzumiMar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
I had the same problem looking for a 100-245 watt USB powerbank: both of the ones I'd settled on reportedly overheat at max output.
Show threadMoses IzumiMar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
ExpressCard seems to be dead, but the MXM format for GPUs is still kicking.
Actually considered getting an Elitebook 8560w just for that, power efficiency be damned.
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@moses_izumi @rl_dane

Expresscard was so underutilized 😭

Everyone raving about how incredible thunderbolt is, when expresscard was that, plus it let expansions fit inside the machine! Who needs external expansion when you have internal expansion you don't have to unplug every time you move your laptop???

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

Press "F" to pay respects to laptop card slots.

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @moses_izumi

I will never forgive humanity for this.

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

* laughs, then weeps uncontrollably in "all you need is one or two USB-C ports, RIGHT?"

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi those can have a pcie lane now :)
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

I know, I know it's crazy fast and capable. It's just kinda... meh. ;)

Gimme full USB-A. Gimme SD (not micro). Gimme card slots. XD

...heck, GIMME A TRACKBALL, FtLoG! (For the Love of God)

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

USB-C is in the top three worst designed connector of all time tbh. And it's a _very_ fierce competition, so that's saying a lot.

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @moses_izumi

What're the other two?

At least it's easy to insert, and reversible.

Would you rather CENTRONIX?!? XD

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

Yo even miniUSB is better.

Micro USB is of course one of the other two. I forget what the third one is at the moment

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @moses_izumi

It was definitely easier to see which way to insert MiniUSB, but the whole idea behind MicroUSB was to be more durable.

I think Lightning is horrible because it's proprietary, and USB 2-only.

Centronix and similar classic parallel buses (like SCSI) were very unwieldy, and not fun to use.

Screw terminals like on RS-232 and VGA were annoying, but secure. Meh. ;)

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

MicroUSB is probably the single least durable connector ever made (with USB-C being second) XD

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @moses_izumi

The only connector I've had that I saw have durability issues is Lightning, and that's because they were designed to fray.

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

I have to keep reminding people, when they say something is durable, or that they've never had problems with it, that I don't work a desk job ;)

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @moses_izumi 3.5mm and 2.5mm audio jack, making all the connection during pluging and unpluging and i've killed so many headphone cables...
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane @moses_izumi

I don't understand what you're saying?

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @moses_izumi this is evil garbage and the worst connector
Phone connector (audio) - Wikipedia

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane @moses_izumi

Oh, well, too be fair, TRRS jacks sucking is all apple's fault.

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @moses_izumi

Ever saw TRRRS video cables? Those were a trip. XD

My PSOne used it, and I got an adapter so I could plug in a "broken" VCR to use as a cable TV tuner circa 2001.

So, I spent a couple years watching TV on a 5" LCD.

I miss the eyes of my youth. XD

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

I have many. The trouble with TRRS jacks is really that (again, largely thanks to Apple) no one can agree if the ground should be the last ring (duhhhhhhhh) or the second to last ring (genuinely what the _fuck_ Apple??)

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @moses_izumi I've seen devices use those as serial interface and the handbook tells you to never plug/unplug the thing while the device is powered or you short the powersupply 🥳
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane @moses_izumi

Well, I'll admit, using a shorting connector for a short sensitive application is stupid. It's all about the right connector for the job. USB-C just claims to be suitable for all jobs when it's actually suitable for none.

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @moses_izumi it's pretty nice as a docking station connector
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

The 2nd and later gen iPod Shuffle used TRRS as a USB port. XD

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

Friggin apple :P

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi someone at apple is allergic to actually implementing standards and good electrical engineering?
Show threadMoses IzumiMar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign
Dongle Hell might've been okay if every laptop had a tiny drawer under the keyboard.
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@moses_izumi @OpenComputeDesign

Kind of like the Apple II: no external ports, but internal room to connect stuff, and just route the cables through slots in the back. XD

Show threadMoses IzumiMar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign
Was thinking more of kiosk setups where the computer is stuffed into a locked cupboard.

(Folding ribbon cables is actually kinda cozy)
Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @moses_izumi expresscard is PCMCIE but with PCI express?
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi

Basically. A little narrower, but way more capable than PCMCIA/PC Card.

Bonus points if you remember the faux acronym People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms. ;)

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42 @moses_izumi

I can only remember my PCMCIA/YMCA parody :P

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @moses_izumi

Oh, that's fun. XD

I can visualize an advert featuring PC Card NICs and Modems singing that. XD

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @moses_izumi I think i had a 10/100 mbit nic and later a 802.11b WiFi card :)
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane @moses_izumi

Basically, yeah.

iirc, OG PCMCIA=ISA, "PC Card" Updated PCMCIA=PCI+ISA, Expresscard=PCI-E+USB

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign

Yes, and yes.

I'm not getting one, don't worry. XD

To borrow a phrase from my #Jacksonville friends:

#TTWD / #TTID (Thinkpad Till We/I Die) XD

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane I really would like to see computers get fun again.

Although, with the only color options being "The usual dystopian grey", "Not even as pink as a white shirt washed with colors", "Strange yellow", and "deathstar blue", they really still pale in comparison to the proper candyshop of colours you could get circa y2k. (Although, even then, woulda liked to see nice red and purple options)

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane
colorful transparent plastic was peak design :)
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5
@kabel42 @rl_dane Completely :D
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Also, like, as poorly as plastic tends to age, aluminum is just as absolutely garbage material. It was really best left to soda cans, because that's really all it's good for.

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane let's go back to thinkspads with magnesium housing :)
although most are now covered with sticky black goo
Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@kabel42 @rl_dane

Magnesium really is the best. I've got some old dells with magnesium cases that have seriously taken some _wallops_ without any cracks or dings. Meanwhile aluminum laptops I've used have gotten dents and dings seemingly out of thin air :P

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

It is definitely the superior metal, and can be used as a signal flare in a pinch. XD

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

I bought a set of folding glasses only a few years ago (June 2019, to be precise) that have the same black rubber coating. (on the case, that is)

It's already sticky to the touch. :/

What do people do to remove the goo? Sandpaper? Solvent?

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42

I've used a kitchen scrubbie, but ymmv

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

Ah, not a bad idea. Like steel wool? Or just a scouring pad?

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42

iirc used one of these. Dunno if it was the best kind, but it's what I found under the sink :P

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane and terpentine(?), ideally from orange peels :)
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

Oh, like [Goo gone].

I have some of that at home. I'll try it.

Adhesive remover - Wikipedia

Show threadkabel42Mar 5
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign no idea, turpentine is supposed to make the stuff thinner so it can be removed, gelling agent sounds counterproductive
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42

Why?

Show threadBad Opinion GuyMar 5

@rl_dane @kabel42

Because, old magnesium laptops are flat as a ruler, and old aluminum laptops are more curved than a banana. Old plastic laptops are often still in better condition than aluminum. Aluminum laptops are even still generally at least as prone to hinge problems as plastic ones.

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign

PEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!! XD

Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@OpenComputeDesign

You're reminding me of the classic circa 1999 2nd gen iMac ad, "She comes in colors everywhere...🎵"

A Japanese friend gave me a couple really cool Japanese stickers the other day, and when I went to put them on my #Thinkpad, I was dismayed to realize that they are clear stickers!

You would've been able to see a thing! Argh!

I want a white thinkpad. XD

Show threadbenMar 5
@rl_dane perhaps a plain white sticker to go under the black sticker?
Show threadR.L. Dane    🍵 Mar 5

@benjamineskola

I thought of something like that, yeah. Not sure where to get a plain white sticker. ;)