Jeremiah Lee

1Password is increasing its price 30%. If I put in the effort to move, I will be motivated by shifting to something European or self-hosted, not price.

KeePassXC has one of the worst UIs I have encountered in the last decade, but seems capable, fully FOSS, and actively developed.

Any other recommendations or is Proton Pass my only other viable European, open source-ish (backend API is not FOSS) option?

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Mar 4 at 9:57amWeb
Show threadJohan Nyström-PerssonMar 4
@Jeremiah I have been using KeePassXC for years with no problems. Self hosted, clients for linux/mac/ios. Although as you say the UI is a bit clunky.
Show threadMattMar 4

@Jeremiah There are a list of alternatives on Go European:

https://www.goeuropean.org/

Just select 1Password from the search filters.

Show threadKonstantin 🔭Mar 4
@Jeremiah proton pass has a downside that they hide the time tokens if you ever choose to cancel your sub. KeepassXC is my own way out of iCloud Passwords for now.
Show threadembr Mar 4
@Jeremiah KeePassXC also started making huge, vibe-coded changes and this makes me not massively trust it anymore
Show threadfloMar 4
@Jeremiah
Disroot offers Vaultwarden as an online password manager.
https://disroot.org

#disroot #vaultwarden
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Show threadLeon OverweelMar 4

@Jeremiah seems like yesterday* that I switched from LastPass to 1Password because the former was getting enshittified… guess it's time to switch again. I've been considering just using Apple's built-in stuff but if there's a viable European alternative that would be wonderful. Curious to hear what you end up landing on!

*5 years ago according to my email archives, same difference

Show threadElena Rossini on GoToSocial ⁂Mar 4
@Jeremiah yeah I am staying with 1password because I'm afraid of migrating all my passwords and 2FA to Proton... all eggs in one basket sort of problem like, what happens if my account is compromised or I lose access to it? Best to keep passwords private from email/calendar/drive IMHO... and moving them to Bitwarden will take significant time so the slight price increase is ok for me as I value my time more. But keeping an open mind and may change stance in the future.

Pricing aside, I love the UX/UI of 1Password across devices (computer / phone) over other offerings...
Show threadjpoesen | 🇪🇺 | 🏳️‍🌈Mar 4

@elena according to Bitwarden's docs, moving to 1password is a straight export file -> import file deal.

And Vaultwarden - the alternative self-hostable backend to Bitwarden you can set up with Yunohost and others... not an option?

As to the UX... I got nothing. I'll compromise on UI / smoothness if it means better security (I settled on Keepass + encrypted backup/sync to external S3 storage)

Show threadveroandi_brMar 4

@Jeremiah

I like the KeePassXC interface (both desktop and Android versions). I don't like the Proton Pass interface, especially the browser plugin. I use KeePassXC for local passwords and Proton Pass for less serious passwords (I keep key passwords in local only).
But if you're a Proton Pass premium user, it works great for creating aliases directly from form fields, and I love it!

Show threadSam StephensonMar 4
@Jeremiah I switched to Bitwarden last year and it works well
Show threadDaniel AleksandersenMar 4
@Jeremiah I switched to Proton Pass two weeks ago. My biggest surprise so far is that the browser extension and desktop apps do not auto-lock by default! You must configure timeout locking per-device. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I prefer my password managers to lock automatically after being idle.
Show threadDaniel AleksandersenMar 4
@Jeremiah Login to Proton Pass and then follow this link for lifetime accounts. (Offer not listed on their website, but it still works!) https://account.proton.me/pass/dashboard?plan=passlifetime2024
Proton

Our encrypted services let you control who has access to your emails, plans, files, and online activity. Free plans are available.

Show threadDaniel AleksandersenMar 4
@Jeremiah File-based password vault like KeePassXC is complicated to manage across multiple devices. You must remember to close the vault on your devices after each use, and ensure to use fast and reliable file syncing. Mobile apps are especially troublesome. Conflict handling and merging is very challenging with encrypted database files. You risk data loss and corruption.
Show threaddenMar 5

@daniel @Jeremiah I'm using it since years and are happy with the UI.

Also it is able to merge two conflicting version quiet well. The only thing to do is to click on "yes, merge".