★ Amy Star ★capitalists: "without a profit motive, nobody would do anything. society would collapse."
my friends & acquaintances: "I implemented a SPARC emulator in pure CSS"
BeldarakIt's really crazy (and infuriating) when they say this.
Capitalism is not that old. How do they think villages and communities were built and managed before capitalism?
Also, they will often default to the "who will clean the sewers in a socialist world?".
Man, I'd be happy to clean the sewers, on my own terms and schedule if it could prevent me from waking up every single day at dawn to do fuck all in front of a computer for 8 hours :|
Octorine@Beldarak @AmyZenunim Before capitalism, we had serfs. Are you actually saying everyone should just go back to being serfs?
Ofc not, I clearly stated I was in favour of socialism.
Feodalism wasn't the only system before capitalism. You took the worst exemple, why?
But anyway, I'm not saying we should go BACK, just that other systems are possible and that we should move FORWARD, away from capitalism.
To be fair, I also read about better capitalist systems, so those are options too, but capitalists will just close their ears any time someone says we should improve society somehow.
@Beldarak @AmyZenunim I picked feudalism because that's where capitalism came from, so if you want to talk about life before capitalism, it seems like the natural place to start.
Woozle Hypertwin@octorine @Beldarak @AmyZenunim
Feudalsm was a system that existed before capitalism; it was hardly the only one.
I think your observation of the connection kinda underscores the OP's point: capitalism was invented as a way of doing feudalism while making it seem more palatable.
Maybe we should try adopting a system that emerged from something better than that, hey.