jfr_1980Feb 27
@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice. Without swift action, Europe risks losing control and paying a high price to stay connected to the digital world we value.
Here are some alternative operating systems to consider:
- @GrapheneOS
- @lineageos
- @murena /e/OS
- @sailfishosnews
Let’s explore these options or develop other alternatives to keep our digital future open and accessible.
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen /e/OS is a fake privacy project. It has very poor privacy and extraordinarily poor security. It fails to provide users with basic updates and protections. They market it as private but yet have user tracking, send sensitive user data to third party services without consent and fail to keep up with basic privacy patches/protections. They market it as degoogled and yet is has far more Google services and privileged Google app/service integration than AOSP.
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen It makes far more sense to use LineageOS itself rather than a sketchy fork from an organization and company which have engaged in years of attacks on actual privacy projects. Giving money to Murena is contributing to harming actual privacy and security efforts on mobile. Using /e/ hands your data to authoritarians on a silver platter. It's far less defended against attacks than using an iPhone. No surprise governments against secure devices are funding it.
Show threadjfr_1980Feb 28
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen divide to control them all, they say ! Topic was about being able to install open source app after google lockdown . WE NEED TO BE UNITED FFS. I don't give a f*ck about privacy , this will raise the cost and kill any european alternative to attack US big tech x US wish to replace human by robots after landing napalm on all non align countries vision please
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Murena are scammers who have heavily invested in destroying GrapheneOS. That includes the founder of /e/ and Murena (Gaël Duval) actively participating in harassment towards our team. He has repeatedly spread harassment content from Kiwi Farms and even a blatant neo-nazi website.

SailfishOS was made in close partnership with the authoritarian Russian government.

The values of the people involved in both organizations are atrocious and no allies of ours.

Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Jolla tacitly supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine prior to 2022, assassinations of political opposition and attacks on the European Union. They only changed course when it became untenable for them to continue. They began working with Russia after their invasion of Ukraine and the imposition of many sanctions since they started their partnership in 2015. It's absolutely atrocious.

Murena spreading Kiwi Farms and neo-nazi harassment content is awful too.

Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Here's one of many cases of Duval doing that:

https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTO

You can easily confirm this is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. The content is clearly harassment content based around fabrications from Kiwi Farms. It links to content from Kiwi Farms members. The context was Duval trying to take advantage of authoritarian pressure on GrapheneOS in France as part of them cracking down on encrypted messaging and secure devices.

Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
Show threadjfr_1980Feb 28
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:

https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509

It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.

Voice to Text feature using Open AI

Thank you a lot for your positive and supporting comments about our new /e/OS Voice-to-text! Regarding its implementation in /e/OS, I’d like to explain a few things to explain why we have chosen an OpenAI STT API to implement it and how it’s going to evolve in the future: What we have learned from our experimentations with STT models that run locally on the smartphone for speech recognition: they work quite poorly, they make a lot of mistakes in voice recognition they are not able to mix la...

/e/OS community
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.

/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.

Show threadGrapheneOS
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
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Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen

> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone

There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.

You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.

Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
Show threadjfr_1980Feb 28

@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen what about #punkt. with #AphyOS ? Apparently outdated tech and weak OS but still made in europe and provided with @threemaapp @protonprivacy @european_alternatives ? Just need some marketing to reach mainstream adoption

https://www.punkt.ch/fr/products/mc03-premium-secure-smartphone

Punkt. MC03 Premium Secure Smartphone + 1 year of AphyOS Subscription (Europe Version)

Show threadParalhax 👾Mar 1

@GrapheneOS Could you elaborate on this part or provide a link if it is already described in more detail somewhere?

"the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support"

What do Pixels have that any other mainstream device with LineageOS support does not?

Show threadGrapheneOSMar 1
@Paralhax LineageOS doesn't fully keep up with Android updates and privacy/security patches. It also doesn't fully keep the Android privacy/security model fully intact. It's not a privacy or security focused project in the same way. It's a downgrade from AOSP rather than a major upgrade. It's not rolling them back nearly as much as something like /e/ but it's still doing it. LineageOS lacks real security requirements for devices and on most don't have regular kernel, driver or firmware updates.
Show threadGrapheneOSMar 1

@Paralhax Nearly all the devices they support lack proper updates. There isn't a single device where they have updates even comparable to lagging behind the stock OS by a week. On Pixels, they end up way behind on kernel, driver and firmware updates after major OS updates since it takes months for them to port.

Most devices they support have no secure element meaning disk encryption doesn't truly work for the vast majority not using a strong passphrase with no extra convenience for it.

Show threadGrapheneOSMar 1

@Paralhax They don't use hardware memory tagging, verified boot, etc. so of course it doesn't matter to them if devices support it.

The list of hardware requirements for GrapheneOS are at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. Our OEM partner needs to spend around a year getting this implemented. Their current devices don't meet the requirements although they already started making major improvements towards it. Other non-Pixel devices similarly don't meet these requirements. It's not one, it's multiple.

GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions

Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.

GrapheneOS
Show threadjfr_1980Feb 28
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28

@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.

Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.

Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
Show threadGrapheneOSFeb 28
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Are you really so confident that France, Germany and other European countries aren't going to elect authoritarians? If you move to an OS and services largely marketed and based around the fact that they're French, you can't expect them to protect you from a future French government violating human rights even more than the current government. Governments are largely backing the whole digital sovereignty push because they want access and control themselves.