Do not comply.
Do not share your ID or biometric data with abusive platforms requesting it. You have a choice to say no, complain, and leave.
This is an important act of resistance for the future of humanity.
This isn't just about privacy, this is also about safety, diversity, democracy, and human rights.
#Privacy #MassSurveillance #HumanRights #Fascism #AgeVerification #IdentityVerification
@Em0nM4stodon Remember these cowards for years told you that it was too costly & complex to follow laws to keep you safe.
Tech bros when the law protects consumers: "It's too hard, there's nothing we can do"
Tech bros when the law wants them to narc to fascists: "We must comply right away, so tomorrow we're globally rolling out our new Buttverify system, our new ai agent that crawls up your anus and takes a picture to send to your country's Customs agency."
Laws have changed but this is still the environment we are dealing with.......
a certain amount of untreated waste is spilled into a waterway.
as a private citizen you cannot go down to the site with a 5 gallon bucket fill it then leave that area with it.
a private corporation can collect thousands, thousands of thousands of gallons and do what they want with it.
the logic being that they produce a large percentage of the waste therefore should be allowed to that, collect it, and spill a certain amount again so logically completing the cycle.
my point.
biometric data is considered ambient data in a network.
state and local bodies cannot even collect ambient (toxic overflow) of any kind without petition.
corporations can always do so?
I was also thinking.......
kind of like how the disputed traffs smelled as well?
@Em0nM4stodon Whenever I see discussions about online ID/age verification come up, I tend to see a few people speaking up about ZKP (zero knowledge proofs). Admittedly, I know almost nothing about it, but a cursory read on the subject makes it sound like it could be a solution to the problem.
Of course, this is assuming that one takes the stated/claimed problems (e.g. protecting age-restricted spaces from those who are underage) at face value. When it's more likely that the goal of these programs is broad surveillance and control, which nobody would willingly accept if it was presented so plainly.
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No it's not a solution.
Id requirements still exclude those who don't have the privilege to have the right kind of id. Even if implemented in a cryptographically sound way.
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And then if the client side is available only as one app you're bound to, even if the protocol itself is sound, you may still have side channels from trackers if not outright implementation security holes.
@project1enigma @Em0nM4stodon I admit that my knowledge on the subject is limited, and maybe it was foolish of me to speak up in the first place.
No doubt, online ID verification shares some of the same problems as face-to-face ID verification. What I mentioned may merely be a technical solution to a non-technical problem (or, once again, I may be speaking out of ignorance).
@etsyy @Intaglio_Dragon
I was once involved in an idea around technical id verification (which I abandoned for ethical reasons). There is no technical solution to this either that isn't completely dystopian as far as I can tell.
Chosing to trust people can only be done in a non-technical way, and the cost of broken trust is much lower than the cost of lacking trust.
I don't have the spoons to write down the whole argument, but I hope more people can trust this to be correct 🙂
@iwein @Intaglio_Dragon @Em0nM4stodon they are always predicated on some sense of exclusion or superiority and are intended to be enforced via extremely easily manipulated and corruptible means.
tldr reductive and unproductive. a waste of time
I find the subject very interesting, so I'll go into it a little bit more. Even though I agree with your conclusion that it is a waste of time, I also think it's not a waste of time to understand the mechanisms you're touching on. And they're very poorly understood by most people.
I am myself a counter example to the premise that they're always based on exclusion or superiority…or I stand to be corrected (please feel free to do that).
I'll share the example. (1/n)
@etsyy why?
My (foolish) intention was to enable global universal base income for all humans.
The trick my left brain came up with was to id all humans, and then automatically give them a set amount of money on a certain schedule.
how? 1
The money would be sent to the wallet unlocked by an id, and naturally disappear from the system on the death of the individual. I still think that would create a fairer society in theory, but it hinges on the id mechanism. (2/n)
@etsyy
how? 2
To id people consistently (to prevent fraud), you'll need biometrics and/or some kind of central authority. And that's where the id breaks down into dystopia.
failure
in this design id becomes power, and id-ing people is not free. This means that identifying authorities have power over people, and whenever this happens, superiority and exclusion are more or less natural consequences.
I found that this idea was most appealing to fascists, for entirely the wrong reasons…
(3/n)
@etsyy I even ended up being invited to a meeting with a guy that publicly said the Neurenberg trials were illegitimate, while his friends were telling me it was a great investible idea, we should just nix the UBI from it and not deploy it in Africa.
Reads like bad fiction novel, but actually happened.
So yeah, I felt rightfully stupid for wasting my time on that, fried my brain, and became the crazy commie activist idiot I am now 🙏 (The End)
@etsyy @Intaglio_Dragon @Em0nM4stodon
The French came up with a technology to deal with overbearing elites a wee while back...
😉😂
@Intaglio_Dragon @Em0nM4stodon even if it worked (no one can explain toe how.their system is both anonymous and can't be gamed by someone handing out ZKP tokens like Halloween candy) there's also the matter.that we're giving unaccountable control of what people under 18/25/whatever can see or do to people who freely admit they want to do anti LGBT stuff with it, and that's just the start. What else will whoever decides this deem "harmful to Minors"
The whole thing's evil
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Check out the list of companies that can access ALL OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA through the most popular facial tracking company, Persona:
Already underway! 🙂🖖
can we make this the hashtag when referring to things?
or would something like #IDBackdoor, or #PrivacyBackdoor make more sense to the average person on the street?
either way, the point is, #ageverification sounds way too nice for what it actually entails in practice and #deanonymization sounds too posh
actually #LegalBackdoor makes more sense, because these laws are unironically a security issue that forces admins to adopt questionable security practices that are then exploited by crackers.
(then again, if that happened, the governments could also have admins on the hook for bad data management if a breach happened...)
With my apologies to my German friends, but from our collective history, my most direct association is #AusweisBitte!
And it is not about age, it’s about creating a global panopticon. They (many of them the very same people) have been planning and working towards this for years.
Biometrics are more taken than asked for is my theory.
retnal scanning, face scanning, all of it is as old as computer science. When has permission ever been given?
Discord has been in the news from the beginning about research on the methods.
people just don't care since they just want their apps.
shiny new smelling apps any app.... ..
then, people are taught that as long as it's a private sector endeavor it must be good for you.
The link to the original blog posting:
https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona
The only winning move is not to play.
53MB of source code leaked from a government endpoint. 269 verification checks. biometric face databases. SAR filings to FinCEN. and the same company that verifies your ChatGPT account.
Use the Source! 😉
I need to finish reading the article, but the bits I did read were interesting.
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