After evaluating a number of E2EE decentralized chat alternatives, the one I ended up *actually using* with all its warts is #XMPP.
#DeltaChat is technically very interesting and I will keep a close eye on it, but until its severe issues with group moderation are fixed, it's a non-starter for anyone wishing to run groups with more than a handful of users who know each other personally. Its back-end tech stack is also not any less rickety than XMPP setups, and isn't easier to deploy either.
@deutrino you are right about the public groups, not so much about the server deployment tho, I have even seen people here say that they host xmpp servers and that the chatmail server was easier to do, it is literally running a script
and notice it is not only the deployment, that is something you only do ONCE, the maintenance cost of chatmail is WAY lower
besides the official setup there are even other single-binary options like Maddy, Mox and Madmail
@adbenitez I hadn't heard of those single-binary options and I will look into them now, thanks!
my main reference regarding deployment was due to Chatmail's hard dependency on Debian 12, and the ease of messing up DNS settings which led to problems with a couple public servers I tested, and with a friend having problems with his test.
ultimately I'd like to be running my own permanent servers for Delta and XMPP. it seems like Delta has momentum and lack of fragmentation squarely in its favor.
@zash I was talking about VPS with static IP, the usual way people host public servers, but if it is about a LAN or neighborhood mesh, there you could even have whatever domains you want with local DNS server or use the computer hostname as domain 🤔
or even use #yggmail which is #p2p #email over #yggdrasil protocol
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