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Woozle Hypertwin@netskaven The immediate* problem is all the people who will be like "well, that's annoying, but I guess we have to do it" and won't make any effort to move their communities.
(...and it's easier to say "well then, you don't need that community if they're going to be like that" than it is to actually do it, in many cases.)
*edit; there are additional layers to this.
Feòrag@woozle @netskaven @verge because people who tell others to move their communities offer no suggestions as to suitable alternatives?
@feorag Yes, and the dearth of easy choices for alternatives is also a problem.
There's Revolt, which is pretty darn close (but do you want to tie your community to yet another 3rd party server or else figure out how to self-host, which does not appear easy), and there's Matrix (which is not exactly a drop-in replacement but can give a similar experience if appropriately configured, and that's not easy either)...
Max Lee@woozle @feorag @netskaven @verge
Another issue is that it's not "Revolt" anymore, apparently the name was to revolting and they renamed to "Stoat".
But it's still not end-to-end encrypted and still cannot federate so Matrix is pretty much the only valid alternative which can actually solve the shortcomings that cause the current Discord situation.
Paw-1|426Even if they're now spoiled rotten by llms, search engines still work well enough to look for them. If your community is to move, it has to be a collective decision and they should do some work too.
@PandaCab Yes, ideally.
(Not sure what you mean about using search engines to "look for them" -- to which "them" are you referrring?)
I have to disagree, then; I've been actively searching for alternatives for years now, and so far the only two remotely viable candidates have been the ones I mentioned (Revolt and Matrix), which both have obstacles to adoption.
(Not insurmountable; just not as easy as, say, switching from Slack to Discord was.)
I found at least 4, with various degrees of similitudes with discord.
Also, I have to point out the very obvious: you won't be able to leave discord and get the same thing. I know it is silly to point out, but in my experience, it is hard to really internalise for many.
Nobody's asking for identical; just similar-enough (...like Discord vs. Slack)
What are the 4(+) you found?
I have to ask: what if there is nothing similar? This is what I mean by "not get the same thing".
I still have to try them but the alternatives I found (again, to be fair, I haven't tried yet) pumble, guilded, rocket.chat and mattermost.
Somewhere I typed up a list of my requirements (I can't speak for everyone); I'll have to dig that up..
Revolt does actually meet them all, afaict; the only obstacles are logistical/strategic.
I'm familiar(ish) with RocketChat and Mattermost, but was underwhelmed; I'll have to investigate the other two (thanks for the leads!).
@PandaCab @feorag @netskaven @verge
Pumble looks to be proprietary, which is an immediate disqualifier.
@PandaCab @feorag @netskaven @verge
...and Guilded is no longer available (which shows one compelling reason why proprietary software is not an option).
Knightmare
there is beauty in simplicity@netskaven @verge @woozle yeah many of my discord friends are like "Twitter sucks so I'm just going to quit social media entirely" rather than try something else, so I expect it will be "just going to quit discord, bye"
@kinsale42 aka "the water this baby is in is totally dirty now, so time to toss the whole thing..." yeah. :-|
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Ursa
Alessandro Corazza 🇨🇦Yeah, usually self-owns of this magnitude only happen after being bought out by Yahoo.
@verge RIP discord.
Hadokowa
CarolynRE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
@verge "Beginning in March, all accounts will have a ‘teen-appropriate experience by default.’"
Who determines what a "teen experience" is, and this is what folk have been saying when protesting this ridiculous age verification thing: it affects everybody and is a privacy issue for everyone, which is a bigger deal than the pretended "what about the children?" They will now be collecting data on children as they grow up.
Nazani
Graeme 🏴@verge They have done it some time ago, in the UK, so it's not exactly news. Just choose your bypass of choice....
🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥@verge waiting for the second coming of online messaging boards
さよなら皆さん@verge never understood why people use this garbage tier service. I used it for a brief spell some years ago - absolutely hated everything about it. Hard to find info - crap organization, lame monetizing scheme. Total trash. This should be the needle that breaks the camels back for many.
Billy Smith15 years ago Discord had a very good thin client set-up that was great for streaming, and great for video-calls, but unfortunately the enshittification has kicked in.
So fat-client and so slow, their website is. :(
StarkRG@sayonaraminasan @verge It's been fine as a modern alternative to IRC with voice and video chat. Not amazing, but fine. It is absolutely *awful* for distribution of information and I do not understand why anyone would use it for that.
@StarkRG discords garbage. Has been the whole time. Performs like shit, organized like shit, shit tier slop that’s now forcing users to upload their 🆔 it’s gonna burn.
@sayonaraminasan Yeah, that definitely hasn't been my experience. It's worked better than zoom, for example, and has been more friendly than Facebook (which, I realise, isn't saying much, but it's a benchmark anyway). It's worked well enough that I didn't look for an alternative until about a year ago.
I'm not sure what you mean by being organised like shit, it's organised like a chat program. It's better than IRC in many ways, which is kind of the metric to measure chat programs against.
@StarkRG don’t know what you’re trying to prove here, that discord isn’t a privacy violating shit box? Cuz that’s not a cookie you’re gonna sell me, bro lol it’s garbage which is why I don’t use it. Happy you enjoyed the trash tho.
@sayonaraminasan I'm not trying to prove anything and there's no reason for you to be so aggressively defensive. Nobody's attacking you and there's nothing you need to prove to anyone. I've merely had a different experience from you, at least not until the last couple of years. That said, I agree that recently it's been awful.
I still don't know what you mean by being organised poorly, though. How should a chat program be organised that is different from what discord has done?
@sayonaraminasan You don't know why you said the thing you said? And you must care, as it's a complaint you made, it doesn't make any sense for you to have said it and not care.
Am I done with what? You said a thing, I asked for clarification, describing my own experience for context, and you seem to have taken that personally somehow. Again, you don't need to be aggressive to communicate, you're not under attack, this is just a conversation.
AlexTECPlayz@verge Please leave Discord, you should have left it years ago. I stopped using Discord 2+ years ago, never returned.
Also, don't keep documentation on Matrix, Discord, etc. Put it on a wiki or docs website, FFS.
AdventureTense@verge Just another step towards chipping people living in US, and tracking and monitoring them with Starlink using xAI. Keep capitulating, and this WILL be our future. No doubt.
2xfoTime ti be somewhere else then :D
Wade McGillis@verge how do you do, fellow kids .gif
stux⚡️
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Elias Mårtenson@verge 'let's use discord for documentation'. What could possibly go wrong?
Grey the earthling@verge Agh! Couldn't they have waited until Matrix and/or Delta Chat was ready as a Good replacement?
George Liquor, American@verge Glad I never became dependent on this shitty IRC knockoff
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