Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

Toxic idealism

Spineless capitulation

Mindless cynicism

"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

And lazy entitlement

Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

Make MAGA the target of your venom

@benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

@TenPastTwo

i won't troll you but i will castigate you

never mention #Chomsky again

nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

Fuck #NoamChomsky

And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

Chomsky is not of the left

Not anymore at least

@benroyce

Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.

See what non-human victims go through
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@ambiguous_yelp

interesting hijacking angle

and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts

@benroyce

This is the larger point I was trying to make and why I don't consider what I did as hijacking

You start off by saying the left must be united against the right, but then you carve out a specific exception for when we should shun those on the "left". When people "divide the left" they do it for principled reasons not because theyre opposed to any sort of collaboration. In fact it is the whole idea of "leftist unity" that is idealist, the idea that eveyrone on the left shares fundamental values is just naive and kind of patronising. Really the labels left and right aren't very useful at all they are broad tendancies and don't point to any particular ideology or set of foundational beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-jwkMEGHG8

On Leftist Disunity

YouTube
The problem with that is, you have to work together anyway. We're all living on the same planet, and we either work together, or die. Even if you disagree on principle, even if you've been led to believe some group are total monsters, you have to work together with them. The propagandists are effortlessly manufacturing controversy to find obscure ways of thinking that upset you and make you feel good for rejecting your fellows in bondage, and you have to fight it. Swallow your pride, summon your courage and reach out to people. Even the ones who like bacon.

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@cy

That's the problem though, "those who like bacon" are holding others in bondage, and I'm not going to throw pigs under the bus by ignoring that violation of liberty for my own benefit

I'm an intersectional anarchist, I dont compromise on anybody's rights when organizing: no exceptions. We need to start as we mean to go on otherwise we will reproduce systems of oppression forever

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No, no, they like bacon. I didn't say they kept pigs, or how those pigs were treated.

But yes, you have to work together with the pig herders too. Either convince them to practice a more sustainable relationship with nature, or consider that you might be the one who's wrong. Maybe there's something you're not taking into account here.

You could also fight them, but y'know, then you're dooming pigs and humans and everything else to a terrible fate.

@cy

Its not about sustainability its that pigs have an inalienable right to life. If pig slaughterers can't see that then they are the ones who are dooming others to a terrible fate every day and either they stop doing that or they are a threat to liberty.

Of course I could be wrong about anything, you're welcome to argue why pigs don't deserve to live if you want.

"Liking bacon" is almost exactly the same as killing them yourself. If you pay an assassin to kill someone you share about half the accountability

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