Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

Toxic idealism

Spineless capitulation

Mindless cynicism

"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

And lazy entitlement

Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

Make MAGA the target of your venom

@benroyce
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What does that even mean?
Toxic Idealism. You are just taking an ugly word, toxic, and put it in front of a beautiful word, Idealism. There is no such thing.

Spineless capitulation exists across the political spectrum.

Mindless cynicism is far more emblematic of the right

The rest is mostly true except the graphic should have far more blue hands to represent how the left vastly outnumbers the right.

@davoyager

Toxic idealism is when there is a better choice but it is scorned or attacked because it is not ideal

There is only better or worse in this world. There will never be any other choice. Forever

So people who do not choose better because they are walled off into inaction by their foolish toxic idealism are only aiding fascism

This sort of inept idiocy is a very real phenomenon unfortunately

Perfect is not the enemy of good

But plenty of morons insist it must be

@benroyce To say the left largely suffers from what you call toxic idealism is incorrect. We have learned through hard experience that we will never achieve the perfect and so have had to settle for the good time and time again. The ACA is a great example. We wanted universal health care but were unable to achieve that and so had to settle for what we could get through the corrupt Senate. Some people yes, especially young people, but as a whole you are wrong. The left compromises.

@davoyager

we are currently suffering through 4 more years of trump as a direct consequence of assholes staying home and not voting for harris

some of this is racism

but some of it is toxic idealism: demanding something better before they get off their lazy entitled ass and prevent fascism

@benroyce and a great deal of it is sexism.
Imagine if all those idiots in 2000 hadn't voted for Ralph Nader or stayed home instead of voting for Gore.
It would be a totally different world today.

@benroyce @davoyager

I think 2000 can be more accurately blamed on Florida just blatantly stealing the election than people staying home

@gbargoud @davoyager

florida 2000 wasn't example of people staying home, it was an example of the other problem: idiots who don't understand what a third party vote means in an FPTP voting system

certainly moron nader voters didn't put bush into the win column, what they did was put the results into the hands of a shitbag supreme court

@davoyager @benroyce

When voters were purged from the rolls before the election and then ballots were not counted for various badly defined reasons after the election leading to the governor's brother winning the state by a razor thin margin, I find it hard to blame voters themselves even if fewer Nader voters would have made the margins large enough to block that theft.

@gbargoud @davoyager

i mean it can all be true right?

and when you look at how many voted for nader, and how thin the margin was, it's pretty obvious that played a roll. and i will castigate such morons for helping to give us bush

@davoyager @benroyce

Looking back on the 2000 election (which happened before I lived in the US citizen or turned 18 so I didn't really follow it that hard at the time) it is wild just how fucking corrupt that was right out in the open

@gbargoud @davoyager @benroyce Though Clinton's sexual exploits disgust me, the whole 'getting revenge for Nixon' vibe of the right was pretty sad. They impeached him over whether or not 'sexual relations' meant 'intercourse' or not; after six years of DESPERATELY trying to pin ANYTHING on him with regard to WhiteWater (which is such small potatoes compared with Trump's many scams as to be truly laughable now) The right's been blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt a LONG time.

@davoyager @benroyce @obscurestar

I'm just amazed that there are people who keep getting elected to national positions in the democratic party who just let such blatant election theft slide.

They should have been primaried a quarter century ago and we're still dealing with their shit.

@gbargoud @davoyager @obscurestar

I blame nonvoters

It's a feedback of alienation. Things suck, so they detach. So things suck more. Rinse repeat

I'm not letting leaders off the hook. But you can't change who they are. Meanwhile if people just fucking voted we could get rid of them

Someone might say "well you can't change nonvoters either." In that case we're just fucked. I don't accept that. So I prefer to hammer at the one thing we might be able to change:

Nonvoters, fucking vote already

@benroyce
There are nonvoters on both sides, probably the most in the lower classes.. Getting more people to vote won't change anything in a favourable direction.. The system itself has to change.
@gbargoud @davoyager @obscurestar

@FransVeldman @gbargoud @davoyager @obscurestar

agreed

with the tweak that the margins are so close in big elections that a little appeal to just the left leaning nonvoters can matter

the other side knows that: the psyop out there artificially boosts MAGA confidence and artificially suppresses leftist confidence

so there is no doubt in my mind you are correct but that doesn't mean an appeal to *leftist* nonvoters is fruitless. nobody here is trying to appeal to right wing nonvoters