Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy
Toxic idealism
Spineless capitulation
Mindless cynicism
"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness
And lazy entitlement
Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism
Make MAGA the target of your venom
@benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.
Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.
i won't troll you but i will castigate you
never mention #Chomsky again
nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine
Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein
he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker
Fuck #NoamChomsky
And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:
A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left
Chomsky is not of the left
Not anymore at least
Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.
See what non-human victims go through
VVV
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#Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity
interesting hijacking angle
and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts
This is the larger point I was trying to make and why I don't consider what I did as hijacking
You start off by saying the left must be united against the right, but then you carve out a specific exception for when we should shun those on the "left". When people "divide the left" they do it for principled reasons not because theyre opposed to any sort of collaboration. In fact it is the whole idea of "leftist unity" that is idealist, the idea that eveyrone on the left shares fundamental values is just naive and kind of patronising. Really the labels left and right aren't very useful at all they are broad tendancies and don't point to any particular ideology or set of foundational beliefs.
@ambiguous_yelp @benroyce There is a difference between activism and electoral politics.
The electoral politics will never produce the results we want on their own, but they can make it more or less difficult to engage in progressive activism.
It’s still possible to organise resistance in a fascist dictatorship, but it’s much easier under a dysfunctional and comparatively mildly hostile government.
If you think that voting harder prevents fascism then you don't understand fascism.
Fascism is about a collaboration between the political class and the capitalist class, which is why the "left" politicians seem incompetent to prevent fascism: bc robust antifascist measures are too left wing for them and when push comes to shove they'd rather fascism than socialism
Socialism or barbarism
Also the state is fundamentally counter revolutionary, the more powerful it gets at preventing fascism the more powerful it gets at maintaining capitalism and colonialism
It would make a difference *if electoral participation could meaningful hinder fascism at all* the problem we have is that the politicians are just kind of ok with fascism as long as their wealth and power are protected.
Sure individual people might buck that trend but as a class, politicians seek to protect their class power and anarchists want to remove their power whereas fascists want to entrench it.
Generally the only times politicians are genuinely against fascists are when the fascists are threatening to oust them from office
@ambiguous_yelp Which is why I’m not referring directly to politicians’ abilities or desires to hinder fascism, but instead saying that if one candidate is likely to increase ICE presence by 1000% and the other by 100%, it’s worse to elect the 1000% guy, because that will make the antifascist struggle harder.
This is of course dependent on votes being correctly cast, counted and respected, which is definitely not a given in this climate.
@ahltorp 100% or 1000% either way it would be a better use of time to organise communities for direct action rather than begging to slow down fascism slightly
@ambiguous_yelp Right now you’re actively putting effort into getting people not to vote, which is going to make it harder to organise your direct action communities.
Only an accelerationist would say that a worse climate is better.
vote or dont idc about the action itself its usually neglible energy spent just don't let it take away from direct action efforts
@ambiguous_yelp I agree that the activism is what’s ultimately important (also for actions taken by politicians), but the level of government oppression of the actions and activists is a non-negligible background factor.
And the people who are encouraging votes on the least-bad alternative mostly weren’t going to participate in your direct actions anyway, so no energy lost there.
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