Mastodawn

Once again #KDE tries to get rid of minority distributions. This time by replacing SDDM with PLM (plasma login manager). PLM depends on systemd.
So sooner or later no KDE for #alpineLinux, #FreeBSD, #Gentoo, #NetBSD, #OpenBSD, #Slackware, #VoidLinux, etc.

For #BLFS it is no problem as BLFS itself recently discontinued its non-systemd version.
#LFS

@txt_file OpenBSD never had a port of SDDM to begin with, KDE Plasma can be started with any display manager, the pkg-readme has an example for starting it from .xsession.

https://openports.pl/path/meta/kde,-plasma

OpenBSD Ports Readme: port meta/kde,-plasma

txt.file 5d ago

@brynet yes but I expect other KDE parts will soon get the same dependency.

Elias Probst 5d ago

@txt_file sddm will continue to work, just as any other login manager.
Plasma login manager is just a fork of it to be able to overcome certain restrictions imposed by general purpose login managers, to provide more functionality and to eliminate legacy code.

You can still use sddm, GDM, LightDM to initiate your Plasma session.

#KDEPlasma #KDE

txt.file 5d ago

@eliasp for now. I expect that other KDE parts will soon get the same dependency.

Graham Perrin 5d ago

@txt_file why doom post?

<https://redd.it/1qk1c1a>

txt.file 4d ago

@grahamperrin see https://chaos.social/@txt_file/116017516654008395

txt.file (@txt_file@chaos.social)

@bart@mastodon.fam-ribbers.com as I remember it is not the first time KDE thinks about systemd dependencies. With each time my trust shrinks bit by bit. My current feeling is that in ≤ 2 years KDE depends on systemd or something similar. For now it is only the replaceable login manager. If sometime Dolphin becomes systemd-only will people say "you can just use another file manager"? After how many replacement parts does KDE stop being KDE (Ship of Theseus)? @Triddle@infosec.exchange

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Graham Perrin 3d ago

@txt_file more doom posting, I think.

txt.file 3d ago

@grahamperrin okay. Different people have different feelings.

@txt_file better would be to use Lumina or Enlightenment @E

PureTryOut 5d ago

@txt_file Eh, as the maintainer of KDE for Alpine Linux, it'll just keep using SDDM for now and that's no issue whatsoever. postmarketOS will move to PLM though, systemd is just straight up the better option.
If alternative projects come along that provide the same things as systemd does and does it just as well, I'm sure KDE would have no problem supporting them too, but there are no such alternatives at the moment.

@bart @txt_file that's fine for you.

Others use KDE on different distros/OSs such as BSD, where systemd is not present.

I personally use KDE on FreeBSD 15. SDDM works, but if it gains a systemd dependency I can still use startx and skip the whole issue. Which I do

But if KDE decides to depend on systemd then I'm out, with no other choice but to use a different DE.

I will not switch from BSD to linux just because KDE made a silly design choice. Yes, that's my silly choice.

PureTryOut 5d ago

@Triddle @txt_file You're all making too much of a problem of this. KDE officially supports FreeBSD with Plasma, and that's not going to change any time soon. As long as that is the case, systemd will not be a hard dependency of the DE.

txt.file 5d ago

@bart as I remember it is not the first time KDE thinks about systemd dependencies. With each time my trust shrinks bit by bit. My current feeling is that in ≤ 2 years KDE depends on systemd or something similar.
For now it is only the replaceable login manager. If sometime Dolphin becomes systemd-only will people say "you can just use another file manager"? After how many replacement parts does KDE stop being KDE (Ship of Theseus)?
@Triddle

Graham Perrin 5d ago

@Triddle KDE did not make a silly design choice.

Cc @bart @txt_file

@grahamperrin @bart @txt_file No, not yet.

Graham Perrin 5d ago

@Triddle why the doom posting?

Cc @bart @txt_file @kde

@grahamperrin @bart @txt_file @kde I'm not. I simply responded to your message, where you picked one sentence and responded to it like I had said KDE had made a bad choice, when in fact I was saying I would stop using KDE if they made that choice.
Been using KDE for a very long time on Linux and FreeBSD and don't wish to change.

tranarchy_a_genderqueer

@txt_file #chimeralinux hs PLM on the todo list to figure out what needs doing to make it work with dinit and turnstile but for now we're just keep running SDDM as it's not discontinued.

Fabian Transchel 3d ago

@txt_file This is sort of overblown. You can (and will continue to be able) to start any wayland session from tty. I am fine without SDDM and will be fine without PLM 🤷‍♂️

txt.file 3d ago

@ftranschel see https://chaos.social/@txt_file/116017516654008395

txt.file (@txt_file@chaos.social)

@bart@mastodon.fam-ribbers.com as I remember it is not the first time KDE thinks about systemd dependencies. With each time my trust shrinks bit by bit. My current feeling is that in ≤ 2 years KDE depends on systemd or something similar. For now it is only the replaceable login manager. If sometime Dolphin becomes systemd-only will people say "you can just use another file manager"? After how many replacement parts does KDE stop being KDE (Ship of Theseus)? @Triddle@infosec.exchange

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