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Claire McNab

@ChrisMayLA6 I assume that the #Starmtroopers calculated they had a binary choice between two packages of outcomes:

A/ hold the GM mayoralty, lose Gorton, block #Burnham's coup

B/ lose the GM mayoralty, hold Gorton, get defenestrated by #Burnham.

Not being keen on defenestration, they chose package A. So they have selected a corporate lobbyist as #GortonAndDenton candidate to be eaten alive, but they keep their jobs in #Number10 for a bit longer.

Emeritus Prof Christopher May Feb 1

@2legged

sounds about right - boosted

@ChrisMayLA6 Thanks!

@ChrisMayLA6 @2legged
From Manchester, I would say the mistake a lot of people are making in their analysis of the Gorton by election is not realising the local Labour party is viewed separately to the national Labour party. We can see that in how popular Burnham still is. Remember that Stogia is a local Labour councillor selected by the local Labour party. If you don't factor that into your analysis, you're not going to get it right.

Gareth Kitchen Feb 1

@ProjectFearlessness
So more like the Stroud set-up then, I guess. But most people just are not aware of local nuance. The national picture seems to drown out most things local in my humble experience. It's probably much tighter than the bookies have it.
@ChrisMayLA6 @2legged

@ProjectFearlessness @ChrisMayLA6

@gruff Voters in #GortonAndDenton are going to be made well aware that the "local" Labour candidate is a corporate lobbyist: https://mastodon.ie/@2legged/115994580434207508

That #VoteLabourGetFatcat problem will be big.

Claire McNab (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image #YCMTSU: Who is the #LabourParty candidate #AngelikiStogia for the #GortonAndDenton #byelection? #Stogia is Stakeholder Engagement and Communications lead for #Arup, focusing in finding funding and state support for private Energy and Rail contracts. https://www.arup.com/contact-us/angeliki-stogia/ The #Starmtroopers have really done it now. Faced with strong challenges from Greens #GPEW on the left and populist #ReformUK on the right, Labour chose a lobbyist for big business. Vote Labour, get #fatcat. #YCMTSU #ukpol

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Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖Feb 1

@2legged @gruff @ProjectFearlessness @ChrisMayLA6 She’s a councillor for a neighbouring ward so we see a lot of her.

@christineburns @2legged @gruff @ChrisMayLA6
Now, your opinion I do want to hear. What do you think of Angeliki Stogia? London stitch up? Corporate lobbyist?

Christine Burns MBE 🏳️‍⚧️📚⧖Feb 1

@ProjectFearlessness @2legged @gruff @ChrisMayLA6 I was talking to a neighbour just now who had a very low opinion based on the feeling that, on the council, she hasn’t followed through on promises made. Personally I’ve found her OK as a person to talk to but that’s no basis to pick an MP. In fact I did wonder whether she is the paper candidate — selected to have a party name on the ballot but not expected to even come close.

@christineburns @ProjectFearlessness @2legged @gruff @ChrisMayLA6

JuneSim63 💚Feb 1

https://bsky.app/profile/patthepublican2.bsky.social/post/3mds6m23ejs25

patthepublican2 (@patthepublican2.bsky.social)

🚨 50% of Labour voters (17pts) have walked away. Where did they go? 🔴Lab ->🟢Grn: 6.2pts [ 36% ] 🔴Lab ->🟠Lib: 4.2pts [ 24% ] 🔴Lab ->➡️Ref: 3.5pts [ 20% ] 🔴Lab ->🔵Con: 1.4pts [ 8% ] 70%+ of defecting Labour voters have moved *left*. Via @YouGov, 14 Dec-9 Jan

Bluesky Social

@junesim63 @christineburns @2legged @gruff @ChrisMayLA6
I'd be wary of transposing national polls like this onto a local by election like Gorton. This doesn't account for the strong showing of the Workers Party in the area. Also. if we apply this poll to the 2024 results in Gorton, Labour still win. It doesn't tell us anything useful.

@christineburns @2legged @gruff @ChrisMayLA6
Well, yes, after Burnham was blocked, any Labour candidate would struggle in Gorton. I'd agree that Stogia may be a paper candidate, but that's separate to the issue we were talking to.

@gruff @2legged @ChrisMayLA6
Yes, it's much too close to make any confident predictions at this point. And we don't even know who the Workers Party candidate is yet. It's between Shahbaz Sharwar, who is a really popular local councillor, and George Galloway, who is, well, George Galloway.

@ProjectFearlessness But everyone knows that #AngelikaStogia's candidacy is the outcome of a London stitchup. It will be hard for her to play the "real mancunian" card when she comes with a big #Starmer label.

@ChrisMayLA6

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6
Against the combined forces of the mad Right, daft Lefter, and Green, holding Gorton looked less than certain in any version.

One has to look back through rather a lot of Prime Ministers to find a better one than we have now (who would you nominate?) so I suggest hanging on to this one for now.

(I think Parliament would be improved by a handful of Greens, wherever they are sent from)

@Photo55 Do you really think that a deeply loathed, persistent liar with no discernable political skills or political values (other than contempt for liberty) is somehow worth holding onto?

Really?

@ChrisMayLA6

I'm interested you don't see leading a fractious and divided party to election victory as including any "discernable political skill".
I suggest one of the skills of both politics and discernment is to, occasionally, shut up.

Jennifer Moore 😷Feb 1

@Photo55

I don't think Starmer's lot had to actively win the 2024 election. It was more of a "Tories out by whatever route" election than a "Labour's new stuff sounds good" election.

@unchartedworlds
There was recent evidence that it was possible to _lose_ such an election.

The most economical assumption about an election is that the winner won it, and the loser/s lost it.

Start telling other stories, and you are right amongst Trump and his MAGA Trumpettes in your approach and in the respect due you.

Want to tell us that Blair had no political talent either??

@2legged

Given McNab's profile notes, and address which is not within the UK, the above diatribe looks like agitprop aimed aga8nst the UK, not anything resembling fact-based commentary.