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It's not that I can see the future. I just know a pig and I know what they do. They did this during Black Lives Matter in 2020, and they did it during Ferguson when Obama was in office. They love to do it. They hate when people sit on their front porches.
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°οΈπ³οΈββ§οΈπ§π§π AmbiyelpPlease do not compare racist murderers to pigs
Pig shouldn't be an insult, it just shows how little humans respect pigs that their species is equated with fascism and racism
I believe this is because humans hurt innocent pigs so much that they have come to hate all pigs because in pigs they see their own violence reflected back at them.
Its easier to hate pigs than to empathize
I'd rather be a pig than a fascist
See what the pigs go through:
VVV
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#Speciesism #Police #UnitedStatesOfAmerica #Pigs #Minnesota #Minneapolis #MinneapolisPolice #NationalGuard
@ambiguous_yelp (long, loud wet fart sound)
When the opportunity came to show empathy to and stop violent language towards creatures who experience violence every day you chose to look the other way.
See what they go through
VVV
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#Vegan #Veganism #Speciesism #Antispeciesism #Pig #Pigs #Language
@ambiguous_yelp you have islamophobia written into your bio. That's a new one. At least you're honest.
Just like christianity, islam has several anti woman and anti queer verses:
The bible has similar or worse verses to most of these but I assume you already agree with my dislike of christian texts since you didnt mention anything about it but apparently islamic texts are untouchable
If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4463
Allah's Messenger (ο·Ί) cursed those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners) of women and those women who are in the similitude (assume the manners) of men
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5885
Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1853
No woman can fulfill her duty towards Allah until she fulfills her duty towards her husband. If he asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse.'
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3272,6547
When Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was asked which woman was best he replied, "The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a (lawful) command, and does not go against his (lawful) wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves."
surah 2:222
They ask you about menstruation. Say: βIt is a state of impurity; so keep away from women in the state of menstruation,238
and do not approach them until they are cleansed.
surah 2:223 (Sahih International)
Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves.
surah 4:11 (Sahih International)
Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.
surah 4:34 (Sahih International)
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth.
surah 5:6
Believers! When you stand up for Prayer wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads, and wash your feet up to the ankles. 24
And if you are in the state of ritual impurity, purify yourselves (by taking a bath). 25
But if you are either ill, travelling, have satisfied a want of nature or have had contact with women and find no water then have recourse to clean earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith. 26
@ambiguous_yelp I'm not reading all that. Fix your shit.
Muslim and Christian texts share a lot of the same hatred toward women and queer people. I have provided more than enough evidence from the islamic scriptures here with standard citation if you dont believe me
Anyone who claims these texts come from god should examine why they think its acceptable for the ultimate benevolent being to condone these hateful things
I cant make you read these quotes from islamic texts. I can't stop you being willfully ignorant of what it actually says.
@ambiguous_yelp I'd encourage you to examine how hateful attitudes toward Muslims benefit the imperialist slaughter of Arabs and Muslims at home and abroad
That shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, and dehumanizing Muslims leads directly to genocide, starvation via sanctions, indiscriminate violence, hate crimes and more
Saying you have an issue with Christianity is not the same thing at all, either
Just like christians most muslims dont actually believe what is in the text, but they should read it and reject it. I don't say that most muslims are anti women or anti queer I say their infallible texts are.
Peter Griffin@ambiguous_yelp @InternetEh Islam approaches textual authority in ways distinct from, say, protestant Christianity, which approaches textual authority in ways distinct from, say, Catholicism. All of these approach textual authority differently from Judaism, and all of these in turn are distinct from the way texts are considered in what we'd call "other religions," which are distinct from one another as well. You aren't a Mary Douglas reader, I take it.
@ambiguous_yelp @InternetEh Tho to you, it seems Christianity and Islam are the same entity, playing the exact same rhetorical role. "Islam" is a term-swapped Christianity, in fact you opened your defense of Islam with "just like Christianity" (Sid didn't mention it) and went from there, similarly flattening all that might be read as against queers & women into the same apparently coherent and timeless ideological project.
The only position on the "textural authority" of the antiwoman antiqueer positions expressed above are that they have 0 authority. Which it isnt a common position to say that the quran has 0 authority
@ambiguous_yelp How are you to determine that the passages are just as you say and that they are representative and interpreted as such? The Quran is written in Arabic and famously its translations are *not* considered authoritative, so did you translate these surahs yourself? Then you declare that they have "0 authority" without specifying a context. 0 authority to whom? To you? You have already established that you believe these *are* binding for Muslims & "fundamentalists" have it right.
@ambiguous_yelp Surely you do not mean to say that the texts have "0 authority" internally. You are quite willing to declare that they *are* authoritative *and* you know as much or more about how authoritative they are than do Muslims, to the point of suggesting they either haven't read or selectively ignored them, which you consider dishonest and unwarranted, leaving it to "fundamentalists," whomever that may be. Presumably you mean they simply have "0 authority" in an ultimate moral sense.
@ambiguous_yelp I for my part will do no work to convince you that these texts are anything different, as I am neither Christian nor Muslim (nor do I voluntarily eat meat, as it happens), but this treatment of Islam as a palette-swapped Christianity is ironically a particularly Christian view of other faiths. There is a presumption that the text is to be accessed and interpreted as if it is the protestant Bible, and with the same underlying theory regarding authority.
As I've said in another comment if you promote or venerate a text that says to stone gay people to death then you are promoting that message
@ambiguous_yelp In order to know what a text says... you must... interpret it... yes? Basic hermeneutics...?
If you want to argue you have a better translation than what sunnah.com presents then you can address any of the numerous citations I made earlier
@ambiguous_yelp oh my god
Well lets take the stone gay people verse. That is the translation provided by sunnah.com. Either the translation is accurate or its not. If its not then I'll retract that claim, if it is then the scripture condones killing gay people and no one should defer to it religiously on any moral matter.
And if they worship a god that thinks stoning gay people is a good message to pass down then they worship an evil god.
But its not just this one verse, I took a small selection of offensive verses for brevity
@ambiguous_yelp Ok. How can I put this delicately. I've been making a point about what is a bad behavior and you've been replying with examples of engaging in that bad behavior. Treating every religion's texts as though that religion has the same relationship with its texts is bad. That is a bad thing to do. It's both factually wrong on its face, and it is uncurious, it is *willfully ignorant* to do so. You are treating Islam like it is protestant Christianity. It is not protestant Christianity.
ANY relationship with a text that commands the genocide of gay people that isn't out and out rejection of that text is anti gay.
@ambiguous_yelp Oh my god you are brick dense. Punishments for homosexuality in the Islamic world have ranged from death to, like, a fine, if even, but you wouldn't know that because honestly you don't care about queer history in the Islamic world. After all, you found the quotes so who gives a shit right. You're so horny for islamophobia that you literally just said *any* relationship to a text is equivalent to endorsement of all its possible interpretations
What other possible interpretation is there of "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." I'd love to know, I would prefer it the text wasn't fundamentally antigay actually
@ambiguous_yelp What other possible interpretation of this post is there than "I know more about the application of Islamic jurisprudence and textual authority than Suleiman I and I'm not sure how all those gay poets from Al Andalus kept getting away with it. I guess Muslims are just all very stupid and probably illiterate. Thank god I, the Islam Understander, am here to tell them they've been improperly following bad laws."
I think people do that because of a sense of identity. Its easier to do mental gymnastics than just admit the a text that forms a foundational part of your community, family cohesion, morality, understanding of mortality and cultural identity is just irrevocably evil.
I'm willing to hear an interpretation you like if you want to link one, but I don't expect much for these reasons.
An explanation of how smart people can believe ridiculous things when it becomes tied to culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg
...but intelligent people believe in God
@ambiguous_yelp I think the way you framed the interconnected ways that communities form and interact with themselves and their history and norms across time is dismissive dogshit, I think you've demonstrated no capacity to understand any of the points I made to you, I think you've fallen back on "but this passage is bad though" precisely because you don't actually have a response for what I'm saying to you, and I think you're totally disinterested in refining your argument or learning.
@ambiguous_yelp I don't ask that you even learn about this stuff, whatever, but going around with a big "ask me about how I'm against Islam" pin in your bio when you're effectively uninterested in learning about it (which is to be unwilling to put in the work to critique it) is in bad faith. This is a sort of 'fandom' approach to critical thought and it's just no good. But it's your funeral and you've made your interests clear, we're done here
The passage being bad is a response to your argument, you're trying to say that people have nuanced relationships with relgious texts, and I agree that in the sense that people bend over backwards to not read what it actually says.
The fact that it says "stone gay people to death" and your response is "but have you considered that not every muslim believes that" is like saying that people have nuanced relationships with mein kampf.
If a text says stone gay people to death it is morally bankrupt, you havent actually provided any of your own arguments just used long winded prose to allude to the fact that "arguments exist" as to why it isnt actually anti gay to say stone gay people to death