GraeghosMIUSJan 26
Liam Proven

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”

― Frank Herbert, _Dune_

Jan 26 at 12:22pmWeb
Show threadOwl EyesJan 26
@lproven "the storytellers get there first" - Peterson
Show threadAlex Zakhlestin 🇵🇹Jan 26
@lproven It's often mentioned, yes. The goal of Butlerian Jihad was to avoid a power imbalance between the creators of thinking machines and everyone else. But it ultimately failed, as it resulted in power imbalance between feudal leaders and everyone else. Not to mention a caste of mentates
Show threadGabriel NJan 26

@thisalex @lproven the techbros lost, the warlords won. Other outcomes are possible: for instance, religious fundamentalism, like a White Christian nationalism.

In the world of Dune, religion is there, but it is not the center of power.

Show threadTor Iver WilhelmsenJan 26
@wtrmt @thisalex @lproven Depends. It is core to the Fremen, and significant to the Bene Gesserit - in addition to their powers they have their mythology that they base their decisions on.
Show threadGabriel NJan 26

@toriver @thisalex @lproven the Fremen are co-opted by the missionaria protectiva, then, they’re given a new purpose by Kynes into a terraforming effort, to be converted later by the “caudillo” into religious zealots.

There’s a story arc for both Paul and the Fremen. I liked the way that the conflict within the different Fremen factions played out in the recent movies.

Show threadSofaFernsehFanJan 26

@lproven

Oh well.. and then there was a machine storm and "Dune" describes a time of omnipotent nobles. So... they simply changed from being enslaved be machines owned by man to being enslaved by man with machines.

Sorry, Dune does not describe a future one wants to live in unless he's a male member of nobility. (Kinda like "before french revolution.")

Show threadjasper89Jan 26
@SofaFernsehFan @lproven that’s the point
Show threadJustin MacleodJan 26
@lproven A very apt quote. He certainly knew what he was talking about.
Show thread'|Jan 26
@JustinMac84 @lproven maybe a visionary, or maybe just common sense after what happened to the world at the time.
Show threadGraeme 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Jan 26
@lproven A better quote is the final speech from Chaplin's "The Great Dictator!
https://www.charliechaplin.com/en/articles/29-the-final-speech-from-the-great-dictator-
Charlie Chaplin : The Final Speech from The Great Dictator

I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible...

Show threadLiam ProvenJan 26
@pa27 It's good but it's slightly less pithy.
Show threadDoomsdaysCWJan 26
This! 💯 @lproven
Show threadAdrian MoralesJan 29
@lproven Oh, people love being controlled. They get angry when you tell them what's being done to them. So let them be enslaved.
Show threadEndicottRoad59Feb 1
@lproven Great quote.