@rl_dane @mos_8502 @chesheer Absolutely -- @mos_8502 I hadn't realised what you've done over the years, and having read some of your posts here... I get it.

FYI, I've also written about how Wayland is going to bad for X11-based WMs (which would include CDE):

https://github.com/fvwmorg/fvwm3/discussions/1258

Nothing I've said or done should ever imply anything bad against CDE, and I love that it's still going.

Yes, I know, certain WMs like FVWM perhaps make cloning a visual environment like CDE easier, but that's all it can ever do -- the functionality within CDE is what makes it unique, and just emulating its style peripherally is not meant to replace it.

I want X11 DEs and WMs to survive, but it's such a difficult situation when X11 toolkits (GTK/QT) drop support for X11. At this point, many of them become "Wayland-only", and I don't like this future either.

I hope that helps, and please don't think my earlier comments were meant to be inflammatory -- they weren't. :)