“We need to get better at treating this like a business,” ICE Acting Director Todd M. Lyons said at a border security conference in April, according to the Arizona Mirror.
The administration’s goal, he said, was to deport immigrants as efficiently as Amazon moves packages:
“Like Prime, but with human beings.”
Commercial real estate experts say concentrating detainees in warehouses would create its own logistical problems. Such structures are designed for storage and shipping, not human habitation.
They tend to be poorly ventilated and lack precise temperature controls — and, because they are typically located far from residential areas, they may not have access to the plumbing and sanitation systems needed to support thousands of full-time residents.
“It’s dehumanizing,” said Tania Wolf, an advocate with the National Immigration Project who is based in New Orleans — about one hour south from the site of a planned warehouse in Hammond, La.
“You’re treating people, for lack of a better term, like cattle.”
See also: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-railways-and-the-holocaust
Nazi Germany’s Reichsbahn treated humans as "cargo," optimizing logistics via transit "warehouses" and standardized "bulk shipments."
By integrating cattle-car transports into national rail schedules, they achieved terrifying efficiency, managing millions like a routine industrial supply chain.
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@parents4future #Trump seems to be near to the "Endlösung".
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I seem to recall that for the Nazis, they actually endeavored to make the rail transport of detainees purposefully slow and inhumane.
IIRC they decided it was more efficient and convenient if as many detainees as possible died in the rail cars, rather than at a processing facility or in the camps.
So, they were very fast to get detainees on the trains, but then they were meandered around the system, parked on sidings for extended periods, etc.
Nun, z.B. das KZ Dachau diente – vor allem in den Anfangsjahren, als die NSDAP ihre Macht festigen wollte – zur Inhaftierung und zur Einschüchterung politisch Andersdenkender.
Es war kein Vernichtungslager.
@parents4future @ryan_harg Da muss ich den Parents beipflichten. Der Holocaust hat nicht mit Gaskammern angefangen, und die USA sind ja laut eigener Aussage noch am Ausbau ihrer Methodik. Daher wird hier nicht relativiert, wenn auf die frappierenden Parallelen völlig zurecht hingewiesen wird.
Dass der Holocaust in seiner Bestialität ein in der Geschichte bisher singuläres Verbrechen war, bedeutet ja leider eben nicht, dass er nicht repliziert werden kann.
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Beide Bilder zeigen (meiner Meinung nach): Die Sicht auf Menschen als "Transportgut", Menschen also zur Sache gemacht.
Damit fängt so was an.
Alles andere ist - Deutung.
Klar wissen wir alle beim rechten Bild, wie es weiterging. Man kann eine mögliche Fortsetzung aber auch im linken Bild schon sehen. ("Camps" mit Menschenrechtsverletzungen gibt es ja auch schon, z.B. https://www.amnesty.de/aktuell/usa-alligator-alcatraz-krome-menschenrechtsverletzungen-amnesty-bericht )
@ryan_harg hmmm.
the way people were transported to/in cecot were no less brutal than the transports the Nazis did. Since the analogy only shows transport, it's fair.
The next steps are speculation, but no apologism detected here.
@iwein i'm not assuming ill will and I'm not trying to excuse the fascist US policies and actions. But images of Reichsbahn train cars communicate Auschwitz and gas chambers, don't they? They do to me.
And look at the responses to the post, people are discussing "Endlösung" and the like...
@ryan_harg they do bring up that memory, but not in an apologetic way.
Already people are missing. When the deportation machine works efficiently, people will die at scale. That's how it happened in nazi Germany. So still a valid analogy.
How the efficient killing will be done is speculative, that this regime is genocidal is not.
Well played.
People seem to have forgotten the horrors of the recent past. That's fucked up. Makes us likely to repeat them.
The Nazis treated people like cattle
American Christian Nationalists are treating people like packages.
This could end American democracy, as well as the belief in Christianity in America.
What a great message for Christmas from MAGA Republicans
@SeanPLynch @parents4future "The Nazis treated people like cattle"
That's true, but doesn't grab the whole scope.
Since about 1942 the KZs belonged to the "Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungshauptamt (WVHA)" of the SS. That (roughly translated as "economy and administration office") was a part of the central government. It was part of the SS, but it's main scope that the "economic" use of KZ inmates .
The extracted e.g. teeth of killed inmates. Or they sold their household belongings. The money was then used by the government to drive the oppression of the german people AND the extermination of gypsies, Yehova's witnesses, Yews, some disabled people AND to fuel their attack war and oppression of other countries.
It was the economic aspect that made this run so long!
KZ inmates were income!
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