"Like Prime, but with human beings"

“We need to get better at treating this like a business,” ICE Acting Director Todd M. Lyons said at a border security conference in April, according to the Arizona Mirror.

The administration’s goal, he said, was to deport immigrants as efficiently as Amazon moves packages:

“Like Prime, but with human beings.”

Commercial real estate experts say concentrating detainees in warehouses would create its own logistical problems. Such structures are designed for storage and shipping, not human habitation.

They tend to be poorly ventilated and lack precise temperature controls — and, because they are typically located far from residential areas, they may not have access to the plumbing and sanitation systems needed to support thousands of full-time residents.

“It’s dehumanizing,” said Tania Wolf, an advocate with the National Immigration Project who is based in New Orleans — about one hour south from the site of a planned warehouse in Hammond, La.

“You’re treating people, for lack of a better term, like cattle.”

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/12/24/ice-immigrants-detention-warehouses-deportation-trump/

See also: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-railways-and-the-holocaust

Nazi Germany’s Reichsbahn treated humans as "cargo," optimizing logistics via transit "warehouses" and standardized "bulk shipments."

By integrating cattle-car transports into national rail schedules, they achieved terrifying efficiency, managing millions like a routine industrial supply chain.

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@parents4future happy birthday to me also this is fucked
Wannseekonferenz – Wikipedia

@parents4future But they need more middle men to make more money off the taxpayers.

@parents4future
I seem to recall that for the Nazis, they actually endeavored to make the rail transport of detainees purposefully slow and inhumane.
IIRC they decided it was more efficient and convenient if as many detainees as possible died in the rail cars, rather than at a processing facility or in the camps.

So, they were very fast to get detainees on the trains, but then they were meandered around the system, parked on sidings for extended periods, etc.

@parents4future like nazi Germany where people were transported in cattle trainwagons and they created 'efficiency' in their Konzentrationslager?! They really aspire to become the fourth Reich 😱
@parents4future FTR: Eichmann, the organizer of Holocaust logistics, got hanged for the efficiency he achieved.
@parents4future weiß nicht, wie man davor noch die Augen verschließen kann und sich dann noch morgens im Spiegel ansehen mag.
Das geht doch nur mit kompletter Abwesenheit jeglicher Empathie.

@duncan_blues

@parents4future

Exactly what Hannah Arendt ment by the banality of evil.

@duncan_blues @parents4future Abwesenheit jeglicher Menschlichkeit! ✊😡👍
@angel @parents4future
Empathie ist essenzielle Zutat für Menschlichkeit.
@duncan_blues @parents4future Nein, ich kann auch ein empathisches Arschloch sein! ☝
@angel @parents4future
Ich hab ja nicht gesagt, dass es die einzige relevante Zutat ist.
#Trumpregime comment: "Yeah, but we hung the experts on that accidentally; for some reason, there was a wokish mindset 80 years ago."
@yacc143 who would that have been? Eichmann?
@parents4future Right. That's what the goal of the Endlösung was!
@parents4future @yaenntz It's still holocaust relativism, even though the current US practice is horrible.

@ryan_harg

Nun, z.B. das KZ Dachau diente – vor allem in den Anfangsjahren, als die NSDAP ihre Macht festigen wollte – zur Inhaftierung und zur Einschüchterung politisch Andersdenkender.

Es war kein Vernichtungslager.

@parents4future @ryan_harg Da muss ich den Parents beipflichten. Der Holocaust hat nicht mit Gaskammern angefangen, und die USA sind ja laut eigener Aussage noch am Ausbau ihrer Methodik. Daher wird hier nicht relativiert, wenn auf die frappierenden Parallelen völlig zurecht hingewiesen wird.

Dass der Holocaust in seiner Bestialität ein in der Geschichte bisher singuläres Verbrechen war, bedeutet ja leider eben nicht, dass er nicht repliziert werden kann.

@geomant @parents4future ich will dem gar nicht widersprechen, trotzdem kommunizieren die Bilder für mich etwas anderes: ich denke an Auschwitz und Gaskammern - ich denke das ist auch gewollt. Und ich finde, das ist unangebracht.

@ryan_harg @geomant @parents4future

Beide Bilder zeigen (meiner Meinung nach): Die Sicht auf Menschen als "Transportgut", Menschen also zur Sache gemacht.

Damit fängt so was an.

Alles andere ist - Deutung.

Klar wissen wir alle beim rechten Bild, wie es weiterging. Man kann eine mögliche Fortsetzung aber auch im linken Bild schon sehen. ("Camps" mit Menschenrechtsverletzungen gibt es ja auch schon, z.B. https://www.amnesty.de/aktuell/usa-alligator-alcatraz-krome-menschenrechtsverletzungen-amnesty-bericht )

USA: Amnesty deckt Menschenrechtsverletzungen in den Hafteinrichtungen "Alligator Alcatraz" und Krome auf

Ein neuer Amnesty-Bericht liefert Beweise für die grausame, unmenschliche und erniedrigender Behandlung der Inhaftierten in den Haftanstalten "Alligator Alcatraz" und Krome.

@parents4future ich glaube nicht, dass die Bilder das kommunizieren.

@ryan_harg hmmm.

the way people were transported to/in cecot were no less brutal than the transports the Nazis did. Since the analogy only shows transport, it's fair.

The next steps are speculation, but no apologism detected here.

@iwein i'm not assuming ill will and I'm not trying to excuse the fascist US policies and actions. But images of Reichsbahn train cars communicate Auschwitz and gas chambers, don't they? They do to me.

And look at the responses to the post, people are discussing "Endlösung" and the like...

@ryan_harg they do bring up that memory, but not in an apologetic way.

Already people are missing. When the deportation machine works efficiently, people will die at scale. That's how it happened in nazi Germany. So still a valid analogy.

How the efficient killing will be done is speculative, that this regime is genocidal is not.

@iwein Relativism isn't only a problem when invoked with ill will.
And again - not excusing any of the US policies. We don't need to imply parallels to the holocaust for that, though.
@ryan_harg @parents4future @yaenntz So, according to you, we should never try to prevent another holocaust-like event, because we might hurt Nazi feelings by pointing it out? Is that seriously what the German lesson from the Holocaust is? ”Never prevent”?
@ahltorp @parents4future @yaenntz you should try to read my posts again and work on your text comprehension, maybe...
@parents4future
Deportations-Konzepte führen zum Völkermord.
Völkermord führt zu Bürgerkrieg.
Will Trump mit seinen ICE- Schärgen wirklich sein Land komplett zerstören?
@sebiturbo @parents4future Entschuldigung, aber dass Sie jetzt das Bild eines Produkts der Deutschen Bahn posten, welches nichts mit der Behörde in den USA gemeinsam hat, finde ich einfach nur dumm und unpassend: Da bleibt zum Selbstschutz einfach nur #mute und #block. Schöne Festtage👋

@parents4future

Well played.

People seem to have forgotten the horrors of the recent past. That's fucked up. Makes us likely to repeat them.

@Uair @parents4future
They didn't forget them, they want them back.

@parents4future

The Nazis treated people like cattle

American Christian Nationalists are treating people like packages.

This could end American democracy, as well as the belief in Christianity in America.

What a great message for Christmas from MAGA Republicans

@SeanPLynch @parents4future "The Nazis treated people like cattle"

That's true, but doesn't grab the whole scope.

Since about 1942 the KZs belonged to the "Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungshauptamt (WVHA)" of the SS. That (roughly translated as "economy and administration office") was a part of the central government. It was part of the SS, but it's main scope that the "economic" use of KZ inmates .

The extracted e.g. teeth of killed inmates. Or they sold their household belongings. The money was then used by the government to drive the oppression of the german people AND the extermination of gypsies, Yehova's witnesses, Yews, some disabled people AND to fuel their attack war and oppression of other countries.

It was the economic aspect that made this run so long!

KZ inmates were income!

@parents4future Das ist unmenschlich und entsetzlich!
@parents4future New Eichmann in action.
@parents4future If today's USA were to win the WW2, they would make sure to not only paperclip the rocket dudes, but to also grab the logistics experts.
@parents4future
I wonder how it'll feel when they read that back at his trial?