It seems a lot of pundits don't like popular chat platforms and don't want free software projects' communication to end up siloed behind one.

Drew DeVault wrote in 2015 to the effect: Please stop using Slack for open-source communities. It's non-free, bloated software, and joining just to read can be a hassle. Use IRC instead and provide a bouncer, pastebin, and file drop to members of your community. 1/4
https://drewdevault.com/2015/11/01/Please-stop-using-slack.html

#chat #slack #discord #irc #FreeSoftware #OpenSource #FOSS

Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects

Dave Cheney went further in 2017: Please stop using chat in general for open-source communities. Even a free protocol like IRC, XMPP, or Matrix disadvantages people with a full-time job and people in less-privileged time zones. Use issue trackers, mailing lists, newsgroups, and other asynchronous forums instead. 2/4
https://dave.cheney.net/2017/04/11/why-slack-is-inappropriate-for-open-source-communications

#chat #timezones #slack #discord #irc #matrix #xmpp #forums #MailingLists #IssueTracker #BugTracker #FreeSoftware #OpenSource #FOSS

Why Slack is inappropriate for open source communications | Dave Cheney

Matt Cengia agreed in 2023: Discord has most of the same problems as Slack, the sole permitted client has flashy distractions, searching history is difficult, and exporting history is infeasible. Describes pros and cons of several alternatives, including Slack, IRC, XMPP, Mattermost, Signal, Discourse, and issue trackers of GitHub and other forges. 3/4
https://blog.mattcen.com/2023/07/04/stop-using-discord-for-your-open-source-communities/

#chat #discord #slack #xmpp #matrix #discourse #IssueTracker #BugTracker #mattermost #signal #github

Stop Using Discord for Your Open source Communities | mattcen's musings

Words from a queer, neurodivergent, Linux sysadmin, software developer, digital rights advocate and geek.

mattcen's musings

One thing's certain: Any chat with human beings is less bad than the cat fart 🐈️💨️ that is ChatGPT and every other predictive BS generator masquerading as "artificial intelligence." 4/4

#chatgpt #llm #GenAI #bullshit #CatFarts

@PinoBatch worse if i want to solve problem in minutes and not days or weeks, yea…
@PinoBatch I can recant a number of different projects or things I wanted to get into....and then I promptly dropped as soon as I was met with Join My Discord (or any other kind of "join xyz platform to view updates/get support" type wall.)

@Catwoman69y2k I've concluded that much of the "join xyz platform for updates" mentality comes from the one-two punch of both web browsers ditching RSS and Atom and Google ditching Google Reader.

Say a free software project maintainer writes a development blog. The audience may or may not already have an RSS reader installed. This means the project maintainer might feel responsible for recommending a reader application for all 7 major platforms (Windows, macOS, desktop Linux, iOS, Android, Chrome extension, Firefox extension). Otherwise, people will land on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_feed_aggregators and experience analysis paralysis.

I guess one disadvantage of protocols is that platforms have tended to do better at landing pages than protocols. Is there a page to which a blogger can refer visitors who have never used RSS before?

#RSS #DevBlog #RSSReader #AnalysisParalysis #GoogleReader #Atom #FOSS #ProtocolsNotPlatforms #LandingPage

Comparison of feed aggregators - Wikipedia

@PinoBatch Yeah. Ill admit that I got pushed out from the very start of this process because I disliked the idea of social media profiles being a stand in for a website. Even ecommerce was being performed over mediums that create all sorts of obstacles for accountability (vs the old way of having business correspondants handled via email).

Over the years, I have tried to encourage/be encouraging towards any peers how express interest or desire to build their own webpage or otherwise go platform agnostic.

I think RSS had so much potential to be more widely adopted. To me (back then), setting up RSS was easy ... but if people had taken a more active approach to bridging the gap, I think RSS would have gotten the play that it deserved.

@PinoBatch i redirect people to a forum first and to a discord chat second

nobody has ever asked me a question on the forum, yet i've fielded a few dozen support questions on the discord throughout its lifetime
@asie @PinoBatch And I tried providing a forum for Tilemap Town that no one used, but people use Discord channels/threads for it. Convincing people to care about your project is hard enough without also convincing people to use a forum.
@NovaSquirrel @asie Might any of these explain why the forum hasn't seen much traffic?
- Past frustration with signup: account activation mails not arriving because Outlook, Yahoo, or Gmail dropped the message without notification, or manual approval of accounts or posts taking a week or more
- Wider use of pocket-sized communication devices more suited for messages shorter than 300 characters
- Missing replies because WebKit for iOS didn't support Push API on service workers for years, and even now delivers notifications silently
- Users don't want their words indexed and used against them years later by someone with a web search engine and a grudge, especially given hostility on certain toolchain publishers' part