Do you have sources on #iodeOS and #eOS attacking GrapheneOS?

As well as then getting government funding?

@Rhababerbarbar /e/ and iodé are scams, the scammer Gael Duval is the founder of Murena behind /e/, and Robert Braxman is another scammer who supports iodéOS and uses it for his completely defective Braxphone devices with backdoors. Both operating systems deceive users, and the people behind these projects attacked GrapheneOS by spreading misinformation and harassing content against the project and the team, lying to people who might be interested in GrapheneOS by falsely claiming that GrapheneOS is too difficult to use, that the apps doesn't work properly unless you hack the phone, that the community is a cult with a bunch of psychopaths, and that the founder is completely insane. You can find these insults in discussion threads on Lemmy, Reddit, Mastodon, and Hacker News. I have read them myself, and if I can find the links, because I didn't save them (I didn't see the point in saving threatening messages from scammers in my favorites), I will publish them.

The LineageOS community warned about the extremely shady nature of /e/ long before GrapheneOS, back when the project was still known as CopperheadOS. This blog was written by a developer who worked on LineageOS. There are other discussions on this topic on Reddit and Hacker News.

https://ewwlo.void.partidopirata.com.ar/

Here are a series of serious problems with /e/

https://community.e.foundation/t/service-announcement-26-may/41252/10

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

And Gael Duval has always ignored the problems and pretended they don't exist, for example :

https://infosec.exchange/@gael@mastodon.social/115581708665123314

You will find other links on my page from Divested, and there are also sources from security researcher Mike Kuketz.

But as a member of the GrapheneOS community, you should already know all this.

Here is an article in which Gael Duval talks about the massive funding he received from the EU : https://www.projets-libres.org/en/podcast/e-os-a-degoogled-android-gael-duval-e-foundation-murena/

@Xtreix

Thanks for these sources, will check them in time :)

I saw that iodeOS runs on the obscure Brax phones. Is that the main OS for them? I thought they had an own one.

Before reading any of this: it is clear that #GrapheneOS is way more secure than #LineageOS, which is the base for both iodeOS and /e/OS.

I dont know if they added bad things, afaik /e/OS did quite some shady proprietary additions [1]. I know that #iodeOS has some nice additions, but from the outside neither are very transparent.

But I would not call them scams right now. Maybe after I know more about their details.

I know for sure that LineageOS is kinda scary as a base. Their releases are all nightlies and they lack verified boot support even on phones that allow custom keys [2].

[1] like integrating #OpenAI #SpeechToText https://community.e.foundation/t/70509/10

[2] Example for the Pixel 9: https://download.lineageos.org/devices/tokay/builds

@Rhababerbarbar Yes Braxphone run on iodeOS and also support ubuntu touch.

The fact if that LineageOS is more secure and more usable than /e/ and iodeOS, /e/ is a broken fork with significantly worse security and privacy than LineageOS. Gael Duval stole the source code from LineageOS, including that of applications, without citing the code sources, then sold low-end Chinese devices at much higher prices. You can find all this information in the blog I provided.

iodéOS is no better.

It's not ideal, but it is possible to build a good fork of LineageOS focused on a not bad security and privacy, as proof, DivestOS was based on LineageOS, but the lead developer was very honest about its severe limitations. Starting directly from AOSP is a much healthier foundation.