I will not vote for Newsom under any circumstance.

And I’m letting you all know this *three years in advance* so that you have time to find some other dipshit.

Because if, in three years, you attempt to put me in another hostage situation where it’s Newsom versus some other fascist— and I don’t care WHO it is— I need you to understand that I will leave the ballot blank and *move* before I vote for him.

That’s my boundary. You have plenty of time to course correct.

I’ve been a good citizen and held my nose before, but at this point we’re just fully in the fascism already. I did my part to not end up here and we did anyway.

There’s no surprise this time; Trump has telegraphed that he’s going to attempt a 3rd term if the strokes haven’t done him in. It’s still 2025.

If we are so lucky to even receive another general election, and the Democratic Party insists on putting forward a dressed up Republican, then you don’t need my help anymore, but an exorcist.

I’m just watching all of these clearly motivated “Newsom 2028” PR pieces, trying to manufacture this thing, and I simply refuse.

I can’t help but notice that in these vote-blue-no-matter-who situations, compromise always seems to mean *me, specifically*. Whatever time my community buys you tends not to be spent wisely.

At a certain point it is no longer my responsibility to pick up the pieces or clean up the mess of others, I would rather find somewhere else to live.

@Haste than consider doing the latter…

  • I know multiple people personally that chose that path…

@Haste

Democrats? Feh. Good cop, bad cop, both cops.

@Haste the democrats do not deserve to exist.
@burnoutqueen broadly speaking I have come to the conclusion that they are, at best, fair weather friends, and that the kind of reform I require cannot be achieved by politely asking.

@Haste same. i think he’s demonstrating EPIC resistance messaging and response in some ways, but Newsom is a Total fuckup in several of his policy stances.

Plus, i’m so done with Corporate-first dems. My entire old-guy life has been looking in the rear view mirror at the union dem energy of my childhood and muttering ‘gimme that back, minus the bigotry.’

@Haste I had to explain this to someone and a good example was to look at what’s happened under the Labour Party since they swept the UK elections. Under them, more rollbacks of trans rights have happened than the conservatives were ever able to accomplish. And it’s happening largely because now, there’s no party to the left to stand in the way of these policies.

If Democrats make compromising on trans rights their official party position, I’d rather they lose so actual resistance is preserved.

@Haste I support your position. I agree as well. But I think our detractors would rather put him on the ballot and have a ready-made scapegoat for when he loses.

@Haste if you want to flee that's fine and valid.

  • But in the end only the % of valid votes, not the % of eligible votes, count and that is literally the problem!

So yeah, if you want to GTFO do that...

@Haste "Pick Me" leftist girls are at least equally ignorant, 2x as racist, and 3x self-loathing as MAGA.

@Haste @cascheranno Fortunately, the DNC has a great track record of picking candidates. Look at the last election -- they ran *two* candidates! ;)

If they run some weak sister like Newsom next time, it just guarantees 4 more years of Fascism.

@Haste then organise and vote in primaries, work within the frame of democracy that exist rather than sit around till the election day and go look I'm so privileged I can choose not vote as I will not suffer that much from fascists any more than than a GOP lite. Other people aren't so privileged like yourself and will suffer instant consequences like the ones getting terrorised by ICE right now, at least cast your vote on their behalf.
@htpcnz @Haste A vote for a lesser evil is a vote for evil. You are a part of the problem.

@htpcnz @Haste

If the Democratic party even has primaries. They didn't last time and I think that was a big factor in losing. Getting rid of the choice that people actually have to run a hand picked candidate who they then decide was actually not a good choice and replacing him.

@htpcnz @Haste It's precisely that you feel comfortable lecturing people for not voting for a transphobic white supremacist that proves that you *are* privileged.

@htpcnz wild that you’d consider me privileged when I’m the target of multiple executive orders and candidate number one for un-personing.

Additionally, I *am* working and organizing between now and then. That just doesn’t fit in 500 characters. You just told yourself a whole story about my inaction; you’re mad at a cartoon character.

I’m saying that if I do this work and the party chooses a candidate that is dangerous to me anyway, I will prioritize my own safety.

And honestly... The compromise they will give you here is going to be Kamala again. Round 2. Because these fuckers never just quit when they lose anymore. I honestly can't think of anybody they might run I could hold my nose and vote for at this point. I think for me that would be AOC (as a bare fucken minimum). I know she's fake. I know she's in Pelosi's pocket. At least she pretends like she will give us something to look forward to the way politicians used to. I don't know how they expect us to get excited for, candidates like Kamala that openly stated she will not work with the left at all because she doesn't need them to win. They think they didn't pull over enough right wing people because they were too woke, meanwhile there is an entire left that sat on the sidelines because they refused to work with us. Newsom is probably even further right than Kamala. All I want is somebody left of putting homeless people in concentration camps and left of we refuse to abolish ICE and they just can't even do that. If I were you, I'd start looking towards the exits now, because Dems ain't gonna give you shit. They are already planning to make us swallow another shit sandwich.
@grimacing @Haste Every (D) nomination in living memory, with new names and current events, plugged in to the blanks like a Mad-Lib.
And honestly... The compromise they will give you here is going to be Kamala again. Round 2. Because these fuckers never just quit when they lose anymore. I honestly can't think of anybody they might run I could hold my nose and vote for at this point. I think for me that would be AOC (as a bare fucken minimum). I know she's fake. I know she's in Pelosi's pocket. At least she pretends like she will give us something to look forward to the way politicians used to. I don't know how they expect us to get excited for, candidates like Kamala that openly stated she will not work with the left at all because she doesn't need them to win. They think they didn't pull over enough right wing people because they were too woke, meanwhile there is an entire left that sat on the sidelines because they refused to work with us. Newsom is probably even further right than Kamala. All I want is somebody left of putting homeless people in concentration camps and left of we refuse to abolish ICE and they just can't even do that. If I were you, I'd start looking towards the exits now, because Dems ain't gonna give you shit. They are already planning to make us swallow another shit sandwich.
@Haste I have a feeling the whole system will burn down before we get the change we need. Even if another milquetoast liberal beats Trump somehow, it will only delay the inevitable collapse. The wealthy have become too powerful to stop by conventional means with conventional candidates. This will only change with a revolutionary leader that galvanizes the people. Newsom ain't that guy.
@Haste @Henwhen I agree 100% with what you say here. Even thinking about voting for #Newsom without him having a complete conversion on the #transgender issue is totally abhorrent tome. However, on the other hand, I need to keep some realities in mind. As a person with disabilities without much means, I don’t have the luxury of just picking up stakes and moving to another country. Frankly, if I had the ability to, I would have already done this. So, when the rubber meets the road, I might have to make some really hard decisions, hating myself all the way.
@Haste Never mind, not my place to crap on your thread.
@Haste This is exactly what ten million people said about Hilary Clinton, so get ready for an army of intetnet losers to blame you for everything wrong with the DNC for the next decade ❤️

@charcoal @Haste

But,,, that's exactly what you said as well?

@Haste A $1 donation from any Isntreal/Zionist lobby or organisation will cancel my vote for any candidate. This is not some fuzzy line in the sand, but a vow chiseled in granite.
@Haste
I support you taking this stand. Dude is TRASH.
@Haste Democratic party be like “vote blue no matter who… unless it’s Zohran”

@Haste based

Gavin "Kill the Homeless" Newsom is a repulsive human being and any shitlib "Vote Blue No Matter Who" KKKultist who wants him to run is indistinguishable from a Trump supporter.

Somehow the Democrats always manage to find an even worse ghoul than the last to make their champion and blue voters consistently fall for it every time even as nothing changes.

"Back to brunch" is the rallying cry of the insane.

@Haste Are you new at this Democracy thing? It's not a spectator sport. And threatening to forgo your vote and *move* is threatening fascism with a good time.

Tell you what. How about YOU spend the next 3 years finding your perfect candidate and convincing a majority of US to choose them?

@michaelvcooper1 I don’t know why you think I’m not participating. My body of work is public and free. Further, I exist outside of the internet. A bunch of weirdos are descending on a single thread as the sum total of my contribution to democracy and it’s frankly silly?

I don’t remember signing anything that requires me to attach my resume to every tweet.

It seems clear you’d like to argue with a fictional character you’ve invented, who posts once and then gives up. I hope you find them.

@Haste You're not required to post your resume. By the same token, I'm not required to vet your "whole body of work", public and free though it may be, before responding. If you are an active citizen good for you; at least until the rest of us let you down and you stop voting and move (where??).

We rarely see an ideal candidate, and the further your politics lay from the mainstream the less likely you ever will. But in failing to support the best of two candidates you empower the worst.

@Haste who cares? Just vote or don’t vote however you want. Why the drama?
@remiohead you cared enough to comment. 🤷‍♀️ Just keep scrolling.
@Haste The electability brained commentators can't stand it when you challenge their guy's electability. If we refuse to vote for him, he's not electable. By their own rules that means he shouldn't win the primary.

@smitten_ I really hate that argument, too. For as long as we allow ourselves to hold each other hostage in this way, there can never be a leftist party (because the centrists “can’t risk” the right losing by splitting the vote. They never seem to be willing to themselves compromise and move left, as we are *always* expected to do).

It’s so frustrating to me because the end result is people feeling entitled to my vote and suffering. It’s built this way on purpose.

@Haste I still don’t think not voting is a good option, but voting for a hopeless candidate that is acceptable might be.

Not for some Ruzzian bot obviously, but there should be someone whom you could technically vote for? Or, alternatively is there a option for write ins?

@Fiona well that’s the thing, there are infinite options right now, because 2028 is years away.

I see you may be in the Netherlands; forgive me if I’m mistaken and am explaining something you already know. But in the US, we have a pretty trash two-party system.

Both parties are technically “private clubs”. They traditionally honor a vote among their members, but basically can choose whoever they like.

If the Democratic Party chooses a candidate, that’s it for that party.

1/2

@Fiona Independent candidates exist, but it is exceedingly difficult to become one. Even though the constitution has only three requirements (which most people meet eventually), states are allowed to make their own rules for who appears on a ballot. You have to petition each one individually.

This is accompanied with a fee, ranging from $250 to $80,000. There are fifty of those.

Some people do still try it, but it is usually for reasons of vanity, PR, or fundraising.

2/2

@Fiona Write ins are an interesting thing because while broadly, you *can* do it, states are not required to honor them when casting electoral votes.

So while you CAN vote for an independent or write in Mickey Mouse, this is essentially a protest vote. Reasonable people could debate whether or not this is functionally different from not voting.

It is generally agreed upon that the system is designed this way on purpose to centralize power and prevent competition.

3/2, lol

@Haste I’m pretty familiar with the US system, in no small part as a list of examples of how to not design a voting system. 😉

states are not required to honor them when casting electoral votes. Neither are they required to honor your regular vote. They will send some electors to the electoral college who can essentially vote for whomsoever they want, maybe with a (thanks to inflation) really small fine if they don’t.So while you CAN vote for an independent or write in Mickey Mouse, this is essentially a protest vote.Absolutely, but unlike an abstention it communicates why you didn’t vote. If in addition to your last presidental election there had been another pile of votes (let’s say 5% of the votes Harris got) for Bernie Sanders or someone similar, it would be undeniable that it was sacrificing the left that caused the loss, not being not rightwing enough.

And you know, if enough people start doing that, you might actually end up establishing a new party after all…
Everyone in your country that isn’t a very high ranking member in that party hates the democrats.Reasonable people could debate whether or not this is functionally different from not voting.I believe that it is a huge difference: Not voting means that you are equally happy with all candidates or don’t care. A protest vote for someone with whom you agree[1] communicates at the very least a direction in which parties have to move to get your votes.

[1] In some European countries there have been a bunch of rightwing protest votes for a time “because the others hate those”. The problem is that that causes a notable shift of other parties to the right, which keeps making everything worse. If people had voted for the radical left instead, we might be in less of a mess.

@Fiona That’s a good argument and I can respect it!

One thing I’m unsure about is whether the public would know about the results of a protest write-in vote. You could always tell someone that you voted in that way? But I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that reported.

That would make it difficult to send any kind of signal with it.

@Haste

Newsom has been shipping the homeless into concentration camps in the desert for YEARS. He's the perfect Democratic candidate.

The two-party system is a sick joke. Both parties serve the cause of human extinction.

#GeneralStrike

@Quasit Yeah, it’s really weird watching folks cheerlead for him after all of the violence toward the unhoused.

I’m independent, politically, because I am disturbed by how many democratic candidates do not consider them people also.