Olivia Vespera
Khen Ofek@OliviaVespera @amici @tinker
#AI is a general term which spans decades of development and huge amount of people.
In the 80' and 90' we used to talk about "expert systems" as the leading AI systems.
In the beginning of the 21st century we mainly talked about #machinelearning , and now we talk about LLMs and Multi-Modal Models.
The AI age is a loose term which looks at these developments from 50,000 feet.
I did study my history of AI. I'm familiar with the rule based and expert systems as well as the crash in AI.
So are you talking about the AI age as in the ones from the 80s onwards?
I'd say those old rule based expert systems are constructed meticulously and in a different way to the ones currently built that are based on the perceptrons.
I'm skeptical of current AI actually being able to do the work it's said to be able to: https://worksinprogress.news/p/why-ai-isnt-replacing-radiologists
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I am talking about #AI age as a general abstract term.
I don't see why I need to go into the detail of the algorithm in the context of a philosophical economic discussion.
But, if you observe current #generativeai systems, you can find that they are very powerful without humans needing to construct the algorithm themselves, just a meta algorithm which learns by ltself.
I don't know what will become of #generativeai , but it looks very interesting.
@khenofek @amici @tinker Could you explain a bit more about what you're referring to when you say it's a general abstract term. I'm having trouble understanding what you're referring to.
As linked, genAI's aren't all that folks have been trying to sell them as. They also hallucinate and attack the work being done in open source software.
their economic promise is still debatable.
It's important to note that while they seemingly can do things, they don't actually understand what they are doing.
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When I say the AI era I generally refer to an era which started in the last 3-4 decades which saw exponential development of AI algorithms and their use in different contexts and for different purposes. I am not sure what I need to further explain.
There are a lot of genAI folks these days. Some are big corporations like OpenAI and Google which try to "sell them", others develop an open source variants which can be used for free and also tinker and change them.
When I say the AI era I generally refer to an era which started in the last 3-4 decades which saw exponential development of AI algorithms and their use in different contexts and for different purposes. I am not sure what I need to further explain.
There are a lot of genAI folks these days. Some are big corporations like OpenAI and Google which try to "sell them", others develop an open source variants which can be used for free and also tinker and change them.
Neural Networks are very interesting and has their uses. I'm definitely a big fan of the work.
I'm not as a big fan of how generative AI and LLMs have been used to harm the creative industries and the #FOSS community that builds tech like the one we're using.
because of that, internet search for art is harrowing, every piece of art i look at I have to now assume is made by AI.
it enriches the rich more than it helps us build a solarpunk future.
As long as AI exists in the capitalist system, it will exist towards supporting a capitalist agenda because these companies profiting off of what they're selling won't be paying dividends to any of us. By their design even, they make use of copyrighted material without compensation and do so knowingly without permission and have said the industry would fail if they were not allowed to violate copyright.
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Totally agree!
The main issue is not with #AI as a technology but with the #capitalist system.
This is why I think we are already late in designing a better more equitable system which will replace the current one.
IMO, #capitalism won in the industrial age, but now in the AI age we can build #mutualism to replace #capitalism
Totally agree!
The main issue is not with #AI as a technology but with the #capitalist system.
This is why I think we are already late in designing a better more equitable system which will replace the current one.
IMO, #capitalism won in the industrial age, but now in the AI age we can build #mutualism to replace #capitalism
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So we actually very much in agreement.
You point to a real problem of creative industries in the wake of #generativeai .
Keep in mind that "Intellectual Property" is itself a very #Capitalistic term, and is not self evident in a post-capitalistic society.
The "enriches the rich" is the problem of #neoliberalism and this is precisely why I think we should design a system based on #mutualism instead of #Capitalism
So we actually very much in agreement.
You point to a real problem of creative industries in the wake of #generativeai .
Keep in mind that "Intellectual Property" is itself a very #Capitalistic term, and is not self evident in a post-capitalistic society.
The "enriches the rich" is the problem of #neoliberalism and this is precisely why I think we should design a system based on #mutualism instead of #Capitalism