PSA: we're aware that Signal is down for some people. This appears to be related to a major AWS outage. Stand by.

@Mer__edith

Absolutely no offense meant, but maybe relying on Amazon (who are sort of antithetical to everything Signal stands for) for anything isn't the greatest of ideas?

@fedithom

Open Whisper Systems has a long history of being anti-decentralization

@Mer__edith

@yawnbox @fedithom @Mer__edith Why does signal then depend on a single centralized cloud provider?
@Mer__edith @yawnbox @fedithom then signal shouldn't be down just because AWS has a hiccup. Just speculating here, I know.
@xengi @Mer__edith @yawnbox @fedithom Please re-read the original post. Some users are having problems. Others (including me) are not. Signal as a whole isn't "down".
@xengi @Mer__edith @yawnbox @fedithom
Looks like Cloudflare is also having issues. And since internet = cloudflare, many services are down down down, not just signal.
@xengi @yawnbox @fedithom Maybe the AWS outage reveals a bug in a failover system. Neither of us knows what Signal's infrastructure is like, so let's stop speculating.

@Mer__edith
Signal server component does depend on AWS components eg. Dynamodb as is documented here: https://blog.iriyanto.com/self-deploy-the-latest-version-of-signal-server-v2025082200

@xengi @yawnbox @fedithom

@Mer__edith @xengi @yawnbox @fedithom better question would be: why does AWS east 1 outage affect EU Signal users…?
@root42 @Mer__edith @xengi @yawnbox @fedithom us-east-1 is the original AWS location and some "sources of truth" are there (IAM for example)
@yawnbox @fedithom @Mer__edith Keeping the service centralised (which can have some benefits when it comes to user experience) is a different story than having all your eggs in the same basket as half the internet.

@yawnbox

Kindly please don't rope me into a Signal-bash discussion. Thanks

@Mer__edith

@fedithom

blaming Signal for using Amazon isn’t?

@fedithom if there would be hyperscalers with better ethical standards i am sure they would use it. Any recommendations? @Mer__edith

@fedithom @Mer__edith good point, and let's not forget the multi-billion investment of Amazon-AWS in Israel. This is also a good reason to find an alternative. I was proud of Signal, but discovering their dependency on AWS made me open my eyes.

https://aws.amazon.com/es/local/israel/

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@Mer__edith Thanks for the info. That was my guess when I couldn’t send a message to myself 😅 Take care all you guys!
@Mer__edith glad I saw this immediately after noticing that a message wouldn't send... saved me lots of time figuring out what was going on!
@Mer__edith That's fine, we understand!

We're waiting patiently!
@Mer__edith good luck and thanks for all the friggin' good work!
@Mer__edith probably a good idea to not depend on public cloud providers. Especially in the current political climate but also for simple technical reasons.
@Mer__edith Yeah, that strategy of only having servers in the US really paying off isn't it..
@Mer__edith Why is the infra relied on AWS? Having different providers and different geographical locations will make it redundant and resilient to these issues.
@technodev @Mer__edith how much are you paying for signal right now?
@Mer__edith Thanks for letting us know, but I do wonder whether that kind of information should be posted to @signalapp and not on its president's personal account.
@scy @Mer__edith @signalapp This. I first checked the app account and found nothing, then I just happened to see Meredith's toot to learn the cause. This needs improvement.

@Mer__edith thanks for posting.

Related: why is this not showing on:
https://status.signal.org

i do not want to find this first thing on Social Media, also why is not @signalapp posting this as well?

Signal Status

@Mer__edith

[Update: the status page is now saying »❌ Signal is experiencing technical difficulties. We are working hard to restore service as quickly as possible.«]

Thank you for the notification.

I'd be interested in why https://status.signal.org is still silent on this, because this is where I first checked this morning.

While I appreciate it you're taking responsibility, it shouldn't be the job of the president to announce issues like this.

@Mer__edith Maybe Signal is too dependent on Amazon.

Why put all your eggs in one basket?
You might wanna use some European Web Services in case something like this happens.

@RubenWA Amazon Web Services is a large provider for internet traffic as well.

The outage of one of their main internet traffic 'hubs', us-east-01, seems to be the cause of the current disruptions in internet traffic between the US and Europe.

But yes, decentralising servers for redundancy in case of such disruptions isn't a bad idea.

@Mer__edith

@Mer__edith Thanks for your efforts! Keep up the great work 👏 👍

Nonetheless announcing this shouldn't be your job IMHO... it should be handled via https://status.signal.org/ and @signalapp . 🤔

Signal Status

@Mer__edith thanks for the update! It is unfortunate that https://status.signal.org/ still shows no problems here...
Signal Status

@wurzelmann @Mer__edith
Maybe it's not the real status site, but a canary site 😜
@Mer__edith "Some" people is quite the understatement ... I hope your admins can switch us all over to another AWS region so we can use Signal again. (Yes, I am one of the "some" people affected and yes, it is causing real problems for me)
@jwildeboer if you haven't yet, I recommend you to look into #DeltaChat for private communications

@adbenitez @jwildeboer
Or use x chat 😂🤣😂
He promotes x chat now (objectively)

DeltaChat is good but the problem here is not the Signal..
Signal wasn't the only one that had problems today.. these things happen rarely..

@wolfblade @adbenitez When Elon Musk says he doesn’t trust Signal, it means I made the right choice and will continue to use it :)

@jwildeboer the right decision ignoring that a lot of the millions spend by #signal go to #Amazon, man I hate this timeline

@wolfblade

@jwildeboer Also, in a network, ”some” people directly affected by an outage means all people connected to directly affected people are experiencing indirect outage.

@Mer__edith I was expecting https://status.signal.org/ to show some sort of indication of there being an issue but it just says everything is working. It was my first port of call when I saw messages weren't sending for me.

Downdetector seems to provide a more realistic picture.

Signal Status

@ebauche

@Mer__edith

It does now, at least for me.
I would've liked something showing up on the Signal mastodon account

@Mer__edith

Maybe after this outage, it would be better to create a mirror for Signal servers? So that if AWS has another issue, Signal could keep working — the messenger is convenient and great, but relying on a single provider is a bad idea…

@ihor @Mer__edith It doesn't rely on a single provider. It wasn't down for all users.

@Mer__edith
Using the opportunity to ask about Signal's features;

I see polls are being developed which is great! You guys should also consider adding the option for pinning messages, to make group chats complete.

The triple ratchet rocks!

@Mer__edith Thanks for the Info. This is a good time to donate. Keeping such a huge, secure infrastructure up and running is for sure cost intensive.