Vivaldi BrowserGood morning to everyone who says “searching” and not “googling”. 🤝
ThePfromtheO@SuperDicq @Vivaldi
Really?
https://vivaldi.com/source/
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@SuperDicq @Vivaldi
Then, what about the #sourceCode #website?
#VivaldiBrowser #behindVivaldiBrowser #VivaldiTechnologies #Vivaldi #codeSource #software
Gonna ask.
No, not all the #UI #sourceCode is published, because they #protect it (otherwise it would be taken by others and they would lose their main #sellingPoint).
P.S. I'm not happy to say this, but this is the #truth...
#VivaldiBrowser #VivaldiTechnologies #Vivaldi
@SuperDicq @Vivaldi
“I really hope they change this policy and publish the full source code at some point. Because if they do Vivaldi can actually start hanging out with the big boys like Firefox or Chromium.”
#Vivaldi's answer on this: “But, the way we see it, Vivaldi is more than just its code. It is our brand, with associated trademarks we have to protect. This means any fork needs to be branded as a different product.
And this new product then would become an immediate competitor without putting any significant technical work to reach that status.”
https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/#:~:text=But%2C%20the%20way,reach%20that%20status.
“a very small, but important part of the codebase.”
That's the whole point of it
And yes, this can be done very easily, but, as they said, there's no coming-back. They don't only have to think about the ease of doing something, but also about it's (long-term) consequences.
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@SuperDicq @Vivaldi
#VivaldiBrowser's most important thing is the #UI. #OpenSourcing it all would still mean letting others take it, no matter of how it is with others.
After all, #VivaldiTechnologies is a company that relies mainly on this. Some people complain about #DirectMatch and #sponsored #searchEngines, even though they are removable. If they would #openSource it, soon there would appear a “#debloated #Vivaldi” version #forked by some people. How would Vivaldi make #money then, I ask you?
#VivaldiBrowser's most important thing is the #UI. #OpenSourcing it all would still mean letting others take it, no matter of how it is with others.
After all, #VivaldiTechnologies is a company that relies mainly on this. Some people complain about #DirectMatch and #sponsored #searchEngines, even though they are removable. If they would #openSource it, soon there would appear a “#debloated #Vivaldi” version #forked by some people. How would Vivaldi make #money then, I ask you?
tyil@ThePfromtheO @SuperDicq @Vivaldi
[Vivaldi]'s important thing is the UI.Is it, though? Generally a browser's most important thing is their engine. Which ties in neatly with your...[Open sourcing] it all would still mean letting others take it, no matter of how it is with others.So just like what Vivaldi did with the engine they're using? It's somehow fine for them to take the work of others, but this doesn't go both ways? Does this not sound a bit weird to you?soon there would appear a “debloated Vivaldi” version forked by some peopleSimilar to how Firefox has it, then, who are also a profit seeking company and were doing this very well for a long time, until they started to sell out their user base for short term C-level bonuses. But even with Mozilla actively trying to make Firefox the worst it can be, the debloated forks are nowhere near as popular as the main thing, so your whole argument falls flat in reality.How would Vivaldi make money then, I ask you?The forks don't "take money away", people who use it were unlikely to use the shitty main release anyway. And like I stated in the previous paragraph, forks are unlikely to become more popular than the main thing to begin with. They'd have to really fuck shit up to make a fork suddenly take all their marketshare, and at that point its just the market working as intended.Also hot damn that hashtag spam is a mental disorder.
“Generally a browser's most important thing is their engine.”
Think more, and you'll realise that #Vivaldi is an #exception. It's only #sellingPoint, as I said, is the #UI. There are many other #privacyFocused #browsers, #VivaldiBrowser's #powerfull #features are what keep it #afloat TBH.
"It's somehow fine for them to take the work of others, but this doesn't go both ways? Does this not sound a bit weird to you?"
If they make their work #available to be accessed by anyone, they'll die in the end. #VivaldiTechnologies is a much smaller company compared to #Google and #Mozilla.
"But even with Mozilla actively trying to make Firefox the worst it can be, the debloated forks are nowhere near as popular as the main thing, so your whole argument falls flat in reality."
No, it doesn't, because #FF was released much earlier than V. This means it had much more time to become #popular enough to keep it's #userbase, while Vivaldi wouldn't.
"forks are unlikely to become more popular than the main thing to begin with. They'd have to really fuck shit up to make a fork suddenly take all their marketshare, and at that point its just the market working as intended."
Yes, for more popular browsers. But for new ones, this is not true.
@ThePfromtheO @SuperDicq @Vivaldi
There are many other [privacy focused] browsers,"Many other" implies that Vivaldi is privacy focused, but seeing as how they don't release their source code we can only hope it is part of that group.If they make their work available to be accessed by anyone, they'll die in the end.Not if they have a great product. The fact other free software projects are older means nothing, new free software projects are started today as well, and they become popular as well. They become popular because they're better than the alternative.If you're saying Vivaldi is just not good enough software to survive on their own merits, I would generally agree at this point in time.No, it doesn't, because [Firefox] was released much earlier than [Vivaldi]. This means it had much more time to become popular enoughToday, Vivaldi's market share is 0.002% according to Cloudflare's global market share report of 2025Q2. Vivaldi is ten years old by now. When Firefox was 10 years old, it had 16% market share according to statcounter. Saying "Firefox had more time" is a sad cope. What Firefox had was a full free software browser that actually respected the user.
WildEnte@ThePfromtheO user agent changing is not too much about privacy. It's mostly telling websites that rely on certain engine features what feature set is available, so that the website can deliver optimized code (thinking back to the dreaded 'optimized for Internet Explorer 4' times). Yes it might tell the website you are using a different browser, but if you use the same user agent on every website, it's not helping much against fingerprinting
@WildEnte
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@ThePfromtheO @SuperDicq @Vivaldi How convenient for you. Luckily StatCounter has data going back to 2009, and if I download the CSV with browser data from 2018 (so before they decided to fuck up the user agent), Vivaldi is listed at... 0.02%.
I took the liberty to check the data from 2016 and 2017 as well, just to make sure. 0.02% is the highest Vivaldi ever got, regardless of which excuse you'll throw at the reality that nobody cares about Vivaldi so long as its not free software. You're destroying your own project by pretending you have something so special that nobody could ever recover from seeing the source code. A project that, itself, is built upon the work of free software that developers shared with you. A value that you think is only important when you benefit from it.
I took the liberty to check the data from 2016 and 2017 as well, just to make sure. 0.02% is the highest Vivaldi ever got, regardless of which excuse you'll throw at the reality that nobody cares about Vivaldi so long as its not free software. You're destroying your own project by pretending you have something so special that nobody could ever recover from seeing the source code. A project that, itself, is built upon the work of free software that developers shared with you. A value that you think is only important when you benefit from it.
Yes, but that's the old times. Now #VivaldiBrowser's #userBase has increased, as it was #normal, my dear. #Such a #gem can't remain #unknown for too much time…
#VivaldiBrowser #VivaldiTechnologies #Vivaldi #sourceCode #openSource #FOSS #statCounter #browser #browsers
Yes, but that's the old timesHow are "the old times" different from the current times? Has something happened that numbers are not comparable?Now [Vivaldi]'s [user base] has increasedInteresting, what's Vivaldi's current market share in the browser space, and how are you counting it?
[Such] a [gem] can't remain [unknown] for too much time…I agree that Vivaldi is not an "unknown" browser project, it just has nothing of value to offer as long as it remains proprietary software, which is why it has virtually no market share to speak of by any visible metric.