LionelBThese are very popular in Spain, with good reason. 75km range and plug in anywhere. Dry, space for shopping, fits through small gaps.
Disadvantage is that they are not 90% of cars on the road. F=m.a
Also, the choice is grey or grey.
This account has moved@lionelb I had a test drive in one. In France they can be driven at 14 years as classed as a quadracycle.. For a while Citroen was leasing them for £18 a month. Fat chance of that now. Only car I actual fancy owning.
Bob Thomson@emsquared @lionelb there are a whole class of sans permis cars here. The downside is a lot of folk who are banned from having their license drive them and they can create jams on 90kph roads when they are limited to 50.
@bobthomson70 @lionelb I can imagine. I used to love my 2CV but you were treated as an irritant on UK roads due to how slow you were up hills etc.There's a oo-tube channel called me & mon Ami where a couple of ex-pat Brits who live in France travel all over the place in an Ami. Presents some challenges but they manage to achieve it.
They come with a type 2 converter but charging is one speed - very slow. Every 40 miles you have to wait four hours.
@lionelb @bobthomson70 Yeah. They are occasional use vehicles and as I live in a city with reasonable public transport and the daft prices post Brexit they don't make much sense when I can hire a grown up EV by the hour as needed.
Maggie Maybe@emsquared @bobthomson70 @lionelb lol yeah I remember people honking at me when I took my scooter on Pacific Coast Highway. The speed limit was 45 at most & I could go 45 but they still got mad about it.
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK@maggiejk @emsquared @bobthomson70 @lionelb
another possibly UK specific issue with these is its very unclear if you can drive them on a normal car licence or whether you need the "AM" moped category - as most newer car drivers (with category B) who haven't also ridden a moped will have "code 122" which means its not valid unless you do the compulsory basic training (on a 2 wheeled moped, which makes absolutely 0 sense if you want to drive a small 4 wheeled vehicle!)
Nowhere seems to give any clarity on this issue, which means that if you have a car licence a supermini/city car is still quite affordable and you can definitely drive that..
@maggiejk @emsquared @bobthomson70 @lionelb
this lack of clarity may be why they haven't taken off in the UK, even in urban areas where they could be quite practical - they don't appeal to younger folk either, as they can't just take the CBT and use their provisional licence due to the weight of the Ami, but have to go for full AM motorcycle test (so they might as well go for the whole car licence as its the same amount of effort in that case)
Unlike an electric car, they slide back on a hill.
€43 a month here. Only double the local bus pass.
@lionelb Why are we always so thoroughly ripped off.
@lionelb Fiat makes the Topolino which is practically an Ami clone.
Plausible Human BeingFun fact. The door panels are identical, so one opens forwards and the other backwards.
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altf4@lionelb well, if the point is « less cars », they feel kind of useless. They are not good enough to do what you need a car for and they are overkill to do what you can do with many other vehicles
Like, this is a perfect city cars. But we don’t want cars in the city. If you live outside of the city, not enough…
Well, if it substitutes for heavy, polluting vehicle in any situation, that is an improvement.
If you live in a country area with only small roads it is a great way to get to the hospital 20km away or the supermarket 11km away.
Especially if you have limited mobility.
@lionelb around here, it's very rare that you don't end up taking a highway for that sort of distances. So it's mostly unsuitable here. Usually, when you live out of the cities, the distances for stuff goes up significantly. I guess it does what you can do with a scooter. Which is still very limited
The Renault Twizy has double the range and double the speed. Also even smaller.
Though that one has no doors, so you need the right climate...
@lionelb they have some form of doors on some version. However, I would prefer a Zoe or a renault 5
I would like the sheer notoriety of a Twizy 😁
C.S.StrowbridgeCar insurance should be increased based on the weight of the vehicle. The higher the weight, the more likely you are to cause a fatal accident.
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘@lionelb There are other electric mini cars available, in a range of colours. And most electric cars plug in anywhere, if you want to use that option. There's definitely a role in built-up areas for little EVs like this.
archives squirrel 🗃️🐿️@lionelb i've been seeing these with increasing frequency in turkey also, one would be very handy for me to get to and from the metro station, alas we've unspeakable taxes and an inflation crisis so it's basically a pipe dream
Reid 
@lionelb looks like the Twingo's long lost brother who is now plotting to take over the world and show that Renault nugget who's boss
Reid@lionelb I kind of hate that people feel it necessary to point out that they’re not 90% of cars, that they suffer a physics problem in collisions.
It’s pointing out what’s already obvious, reinforcing the idea more heavily than it needs to be.
It’s a permission structure for individuals to do nothing to address the problem.
It’s advocating *for* a collective action problem.
It’s pointing out what’s already obvious, reinforcing the idea more heavily than it needs to be.
It’s a permission structure for individuals to do nothing to address the problem.
It’s advocating *for* a collective action problem.
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