“I think China is using it in a very, very geopolitically savvy way, taking advantage of America’s ... regression back into a petrostate... “China just wins. America has abrogated the playing field.”

The ‘profound’ global impact of China’s rise as an electrostate - https://on.ft.com/473JgPQ via @FT

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@Ruth_Mottram There was a good Bloomberg article with a deeper dive earlier in the week, essentially saying these sectors will become un-investable in the West. Vestas should take care not to be next on the list.

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“I think China is using it in a very, very geopolitically savvy way,

China is installing Solar and wind energy systems because the effects of Environmental damage and climate change are recognized.

Desertification, Environment damage Species and diversity losses are being combatted in a long term planned and sane manner.

Planning 30 years ahead.

USA a year or so at a time, now planning be ready to attack China in two years time.
usa is a moronic run danger to humanity

@Kerplunk @Ruth_Mottram

I see no evidence that it's out of environmental concern though. If it were they would close up the gaps in their environmental regulations that incentivize corporations to turn to China for manufacturing. Instead they happily leave that avenue open in favor of geopolitical influence

If you look at annual emissions since the 90s, China's continue to be a matter of exceptional concern (I chose the US for comparison because they are also quite bad emitters themselves)

@Kerplunk @Ruth_Mottram

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

A solar panel will not take emissions out of the air, so if you heedlessly pollute while making solar panels and double your coal production and exports, it hardly seems like enough.

Keep in mind that China dropped out of the Paris Accords to make their own projections for transition that were conveniently some 20-30 years further in the future from everyone else.

China is manufacturing green tech, but not for environmental reasons.

CO₂ emissions

How much CO₂ does the world emit? Which countries emit the most?

Our World in Data

@contrasocial @Ruth_Mottram

Statistics from 2023 do not reflect the rapid changes in China.

The Chinese government is pushing positive change very rapidly. The per Person Emissions are much Lower than those of USA and several other country's.

USA UK and many parts of EU are reneging on pro climate policies. China is not.

USA actively denies climate change, wants to mine coal again, has quashed emissions and environmental laws plus monitoring agency's.

CN goes forwards the others backwards

@Kerplunk @Ruth_Mottram

Per capita doesn't really matter so much in terms of the actual emissions put into the atmosphere

If a 10 people put 2 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, it's not less harmful than 2 groups of 5 people putting 1 ton each of CO2 into the atmosphere

The data I showed indicates that it's not simply that China is more populous, if it were then their emissions would show the same pattern as the US, EU and other regions (an arc with a peak) but China is distinctly vertical

@contrasocial @Ruth_Mottram

The Data was from 2023 we have 2025 and China has moved further toward a new energy future, usa, uk Rapidly backwards, Germany as a state is joining that trend.....

Per Capita means a lot in terms of individual level of Co2 emissions.

If china was as messed up as many other country's the picture would be much worse, and if you research you will find the fastest country in reducing emissions is actually mainland China and that progress is rapidly accelerating.

@Kerplunk @Ruth_Mottram

Your argument is that they've turned around that vertical line within two years? The likelihood of China going from producing 30% of the world's emissions to less then 15% (the US being second largest emitter) within two years is...difficult to believe, to say the least.

White-washing China's ongoing record is not super productive if your concern is actually about climate change. China has a well-earned reputation of face-saving over genuinely doing the right thing.

@contrasocial @Ruth_Mottram

China is manufacturing green tech, but not for environmental reasons.

Real confirm able Proof please, polemic and China Bashing is contra productive...

@Ruth_Mottram It looks like some people in the US have realised this and are now trying to push for anything but wind and solar. While listening to the Ones&Tooze podcast today I was served an advert for ClearPath https://clearpath.org/. It was fascinating how they were pushing for innovation in the US energy sector while not mentioning wind and solar: things like geothermal energy and especially “new nuclear” were very prominent. So while they seem to realise they are loosing right now, they are also trying to change the playing field.
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