@Tutanota Linux mobile is the only long term solution. I'm using #postmarketOS on a #Librem5 and all important things work for me.

#Furiphone #FLX1 and #JollaC2 can also be decent options for most people as they have Android app compatibility set up out of the box.

I like what Graphene is doing for security but instead of giving $$$ to Google in order to have #degoogled, I'd rather invest in improving #LinuxMobile which is a pro-freedom solution from the get-go and is not held hostage by a hostile codebase.

Perhaps this analogy will be correct: It's like moving into a less than ideal house that you can own forever versus moving into something that looks more like your dreamhouse that you don't really own.

@opensourceopenmind I'd love for Linux mobile, and especially postmarketOS to catch up, but it's been 15 years since MeeGo, and there still isn't a workable open solution where the phone handles its main task - calling people - reliably.

I see very little reason to believe this is going to change. There have been plenty of failed attempts and not much to show for it.

@agx @opensourceopenmind

I wonder that too.

The first question is, can whatever you are offering compete with a dumbphone I can buy off-the-shelf as a daily driver?

And where I can find a feature matrix for the list of hardware you support?

@ananas @agx @opensourceopenmind

The first question is, can whatever you are offering compete with a dumbphone I can buy off-the-shelf as a daily driver?

No, it can't imho. And it shouldn't:

• needs a lot less power - runs longer on battery
• has a lot less complexity - could include less bugs

But the dumbphone can't compete in other aspects with smartphones in general or with a linux mobile mini computer.

And where I can find a feature matrix for the list of hardware you support?

The PostmarketOS Wiki is a good start.

@me @agx @opensourceopenmind I set dumbphone as a goal, because I thought that would be a minimal set of requirements that a phone must have is in any meaningful sense to "work".

I've looked at Postmarket OS wiki, and I find it quite difficult to find any device that is "workable open solution". I am not asking for a commercial quality experience, I'm asking for something that I can reasonably daily drive *without* having an android phone at hand.

What postmarket OS wiki says is that "These are the most supported devices, maintained by at least 2 people and have the functions you expect from the device running its normal OS, such as calling on a phone, working audio, and a functional UI.

Besides QEMU devices, this is currently empty. The ports we had here earlier weren't as reliable as we would have liked. We plan to add new devices here with a higher standard."

I asked for a "workable open solution". I still don't see one existing. I wish there would be one, but if this is the alternative, I'll rather stick with my LineageOS or GrapheneOS.

@ananas @agx @opensourceopenmind

I wouldn't say it is for everybody, but I'm using my #Librem5 as my only phone since 2022. One is installed with #PureOS (the system delivered by #Purism) and one is installed with #Mobian.

I put more love into the #PureOS one up to this moment which I'm using, but I'm following the #Mobian version and #PostmarketOS on a #Pinephone with great joy: everything becomes better as time passes.

But: I said I'd quit with Android as soon as possible and made that my major goal. I even have a bank account that doesn't require android or iOS :). It might not be for everyone, but I'm having 5 kids under 12 and I have to be reachable just in case and I need the phone for my work to be reliable.

I learned a lot and put some time into bending its behaviour into what I need and it works for me.