Jake Hamilton
ck@jakehamilton I cannot say I'm particularly surprised.
@jakehamilton I guess the fact that she posted it on lobster.rs and it's being "debated" in other unofficial #nix spaces but there is no post or discussion happening on the official discourse also speaks volumes
@ck it does make me wonder when enough will be enough and people would rather move to something separate. Clearly nothing has changed in the Nix community.
@jakehamilton I think they do, and also they don't. It feels to me like a lot of the old guard are getting burned out or ground up but there is still a lot of hype around #nix and the steady influx of new blood keeps up the image of a healthy and vibrant community.
That will only stop if / when the technical quality of nixpkgs deteriorates to a point where it becomes painful for the masses, I'd guess.
That will only stop if / when the technical quality of nixpkgs deteriorates to a point where it becomes painful for the masses, I'd guess.
@jakehamilton There is also the question of: move to where, exactly? I know #aux exists and I've personally migrated to #lix and there is also #snix on the horizon, but those are more tech. bootstrapping and aux is, to my knowledge, not dog-foodable yet as a distro?
You would point people who want to use Linux to GCC and kernel.org. If you are just into nix and like to maintain a package or two but don't have the time or interest to really get in on the groundwork, it's slim pickings
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You would point people who want to use Linux to GCC and kernel.org. If you are just into nix and like to maintain a package or two but don't have the time or interest to really get in on the groundwork, it's slim pickings
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@ck yeah, I completely agree. We are in the difficult position of needing plenty of groundwork to be done before typical Nix users could move over to a different package set (a migration which would be tough on its own).
The package set is coming along, but is still quite small. No work has been done on a NixOS alternative yet, so that will take even longer (and come after the package set is capable of supplying OS packages).
I had hoped that some people capable of contributing to that foundational tech would have moved over from Nix, but that didn't seem to happen. Still, I hope to get things usable one day...
@jakehamilton I'm personally not super keen on having a NixOS alternative again. It works OK for desktop, but on servers it becomes an inflexible handful quite quickly, ie. I cannot easily revert one service without reverting the whole package set and the package set is to large / slow to evaluate to have a package set per service instance. These days I'm looking for something less heavy.
@ck I have a feeling we may be able to change/improve upon this.
@jakehamilton It's certainly not impossible, but within the context of the one holy #nixpkgs monorepo culture, I don't see much room for change.