#archive : https://communitymedia.video/w/i7G3W41S91Z1DyoQuoMswF
Hey, I will write something more later, but we *will* be having @publicvoit on the 8am UTC Sunday #peertube #live #lispyGopherClimate
on the topic of #emacs #orgmode (vs #markdown )
https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/
Comments and questions welcome here (especially if you are in the Americas, and will thus be asleep for the live version).
In a couple of hours (8am UTC, 10am CET), I'll be live on the #screwtape channel by @screwlisp on https://communitymedia.video/c/screwtape_channel/videos
We'll be talking about #Markdown and #Orgdown because I recently published "Markdown Is a Disaster: Why and What to Do Instead" https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/
Alright this^ will be live in 8 hours. If you will be asleep, leave questions and comments for me to ask @publicvoit here!
I wrote this fallback sketch of ideas
- #emacs and #orgmode seem almost synonymous
- Outside emacs users, projects add a #markdown flavor instead
- #IDE
- Implications of #orgDown (#orgUp ?) having a built-in major mode
- #git READMEs
- non-emacs #org support (#commonLisp cl-org-mode , cl-el ..), elisps like @ramin_hal9001 #schemacs , #lem
(thanks @sacha's #emacsnews)
I've had the idea that the loved-and-hated #commonLisp #formattedOutput is basically markdown except all control characters are escaped using ~, and instead of repeating the control characters for different levels, Common lisp's formatted output takes parameters between the ~ and control character.
On this topic, there was a classic article I think from Berkeley about how no-one should ever use #commonLisp's #format. Does anyone have a link for it? I couldn't search it on ddg (search engines are all worthless now).
@screwlisp wrote:
> I've had the idea that the loved-and-hated #commonLisp #formattedOutput is basically markdown
Again, I'd rather draw a (partial) similarity between Common Lisp's format language
and extended Backus-Naur (or Normal) form (EBNF).
Note also the common root of the two F-words.
It must be intentional; probably this has already been said.
Some format directives are analogous to lexical tokens
(as are almost all `printf' directives), of course.
screwlisp
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