⬆️ @loran_hayden
>> The vast majority of Canadians do not care if Narendra Modi's feelings are hurt
This isn't about #Modi. This is about #Khalistan, which has suddenly resurfaced after 4 decades.
I recently gained a follower (stalker?) who voted for #Quebec separatists in early 1980s. When those Quebec separatists turn violent, terrorize and kill thousands of Canadians over a decade-long killing spree, and blow up 2 jumbo jets simultaneously, the vast majority of Canadians will suddenly care
⬆️ @loran_hayden
>> Do you wake up this stupid or are you beaten into it?
All of us are born ignorant.
Some remain that way throughout their lives.
⬆️ @loran_hayden
>> #India is a shithole country and the should stick to the Kama Sutra rather than geopolitics
You are not only ignorant, but a racist bigot as well — not worthy of engaging with on serious topics of geopolitical significance
>> vast majority of #Canadians hate the smell of curry, let alone picking the chicken bones out of it while you eat, and when you assholes start killing Canadians you have crossed a line. Get the fuck out of my #Canada
Start by expelling #Khalistanis 😂
⬆️ @loran_hayden
>> Have you ever touched an untouchable?
You think you are winning an argument by pivoting away from geopolitics of how diplomatic spat over #Khalistan & #Nijjar will benefit #China at the expense of both #Canada & #India?
To answer your ques, yes I have. Caste system in India was abolished in 1948 and negative discrimination on the basis of caste is banned. It was enshrined in India's Constitution in 1950.
It persists just like racism and bigotry persists in US and Canada.
⬆️ @loran_hayden
>> simply pointing out that India is a shithole country… currently under the control of a #rightWing asshole
Yup, US was under such an asshole in 2016, might soon be again. How about prospects of Pierre #Poilievre as Canadian PM? Is he a right wing asshole?
>> [Modi] who seems to think it's OK to send hit squads to murder citizens of another country. You're OK with that?
As long as we're OK with US extraterritorial killing of #binLaden, #Israel killing of #Haniyeh, why not?
@rameshgupta
I think it's weird to assume that we _are_ uniformly OK with the US or Israel's extrajudicial killings. I know I'm not.
Also, uh, I'm sorry that the person arguing with you is throwing so much high-octane weird nasty racism at you.
I know I heard somewhere (I wish I had the reference right now, I could just be talking out of my ass) an ex-CSIS guy came forth and said that the Indian government had a point: CSIS had been presented with credible evidence that the Khalistani movement on Canadian soil was involved in funding and supporting terrorism in India and that they hadn't done enough about it.
that being said, if one of our Quebecois or Wild Rose separatists had started living in India as an Indian citizen and there was a potential but unverified connection to some church bombings in Edmonton, and then they were killed in a parking lot in Dehli and it came out that the Canadian government had paid some local organized crime to do it, like...
if India announced "hey, we noticed you did that, don't do that", that's legitimate, right?
like, after that, a bunch of Canadians would read the news and go "good, I'm glad they're dead" and a bunch of Indians would read the news and go "hey, they shouldn't be killing people with impunity over here" and the whole conversation would just be happening the other way around
we'd probably still find a way to be weirdly racist about it though
⬆️ @cube_drone Yours is the most cool-headed & cogent discussion I've seen from anybody on this topic. Thanks.
You make a detailed case for what could happen if the shoe were on the other foot, and it makes sense, including potential for racism & bigotry.
The piece that's missing is the #Canada and #India have a mutual #extradition treaty. If either is aggrieved (#Khalistan #secessionists operating from #Canadian soil or #Quebecois or #WildRose operating from #Indian soil), there is a process
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⬆️ @cube_drone
>> #Canada and #India have a mutual #extradition treaty… https://treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx
#India had linked #Nijjar to various terrorist activities, including a 2007 movie theatre bombing and the 2009 murder of #Sikh politician Rulda Singh. So this predates #Modi by at least 5 years.
India made several diplomatic requests over a decade-long period, but Canada refused to extradite Nijjar and rein-in other Sikh #extremists.
Last year, #Khalistani's targeted…
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⬆️ @cube_drone Last year, #Khalistan #extremists targeted #India's High Commissioner and Consul General of India to #Toronto.
India's External Affairs Minister again warned #Canada of deterioration in relationships, but Canadian Parliament elevated Nijjar instead.
Canada refused to extradite the bomb plotters that blew up two jumbo jets in one day in 1980 -- that puts the length of this tension/conflict in perspective.
This has been going on for 4 and a half DECADE!
⬆️ @cube_drone This has been going on for 45 years.
Last year #Khalistan extremists commemorated 40th anniversary of assassination of India's PM #IndiraGandhi.
That'd be like people celebrating the assassination of #Lincoln or #JFK.
Lot of people in the West don't like Modi, but this Nijjar incident is not about Modi. Conflating Modi and Nijjar is not helpful.
Indira Gandhi who was assassinated by her pro-Khalistan #Sikh bodyguards in 1984 belonged to the opposition of Modi's #BJP party
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⬆️ @cube_drone
>> #Nijjar incident is not about #Modi
IOW, this is not a political issue about one party or another. This is about #secession and territorial integrity of a nation.
Lots of people don't like Modi, and I'm no fan of his on many policy issues, but to color one's judgement of a terrorist or secessionist because you don't like the CURRENT PM of a country, or to call the whole country "uncivilized" or "shithole" only brings out the bigotry in the person speaking such words.
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⬆️ @cube_drone
The crux of the problem is that the #Khalistan #secessionist movement is NOT indigenous, but exported mainly from #Canada by the #Sikh diaspora who have found refuge in the liberal #Canadian society.
Majority of #Sikhs in #India do not support this movement, which was actually given oxygen by India's archenemy #Pakistan in the 1970-80s.
The movement died down in the late 1980s but has suddenly resurfaced.
I wrote about that here ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111698808601414316
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⬆️ @cube_drone
Compare above graph with maroon ribbon in following graph.
3 things immediately stand out:
1. CSMonitor calls it "repression", but the #Khalistan case is about foreign extremists, not repression of domestic dissidents
2. #India is still pretty low on the global scale — so it's not "uncivilized" as some have suggested
3. Recent spike in the maroon ribbon correlates neatly with the sudden rise in Khalistan chatter in the previous graph
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2024/1018/India-Canada-Trudeau-China-repression-Sikh
⬆️ >> #Khalistan case is about foreign extremists
#Canada formally put #Khalistani terrorists in the same group of "Politically Motivated Violent Extremism" #PMVE as #Hamas & #Hezbollah.
FINTRAC identified Khalistani groups #BabbarKhalsa Intl & #InternationalSikhYouthFederation as receiving financial support originating from Canada, beating Hezbollah as the 2nd most frequently identified terrorist entity to receive outgoing #Canadian funds
Ramesh #NotGoingBack
Cube Drone