daniel:// stenberg://"Embrace AI or get out"
Welcome to the out club.
schnedan@bagder thank god I am an Engineer who needs to write software (well I am good at it :-) ) and not a developer.
He explicitly addressed developers... not coding engineers.
He explicitly addressed developers... not coding engineers.
@schnedan and no words about internet janitors either! đ
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arclight@schnedan @bagder I'm a subject-matter-expert developer (nuclear engineer).
We have an internal policy on LLM use which can be summarized as "Don't".
It would be gross dereliction of duty to produce engineering work with an LLM. Knowingly putting junk into the nuclear supply chain could get me banned from the industry by the regulator. So no, I won't be putting the public, the environment, my career, and our investors' cash at risk (in that order) just to protect some vibe coding cheerleader's bonus.
Curious how many people writing safety-critical code came out of CS programs vs out of the relevant fields. What happens when the vibe coders start applying for those jobs? The future is looking even more grim...
Tomi the Slav and 1024 others@bagder What is wrong with software developers to tolerate this kind of bullshit?
Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'.
Wouldn't end well probably.
Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'.
Wouldn't end well probably.
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Matthias V@po3mah @bagder most devs do either not have the audience or even interest to play this "who cries louder" - game.
If github would mean that, they would simply cut of git access to the repos they host. Copilot can use an API and still work.
The result of this would of course be, that most people and projects will leave github for good.
I fully realize that companies do not always follow such statements to their logical conclusion.
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LisPi@po3mah @bagder Lack of unions with which to tell employers to take a hike off a short pier along with a large talent pool that makes them very fungible in conjunction with decades of the industry purposely degrading and diluting skill so that workers are further fungible.
This is not a problem that happened in the span of a day. They've been actively working for this outcome for a /while/.
This is not a problem that happened in the span of a day. They've been actively working for this outcome for a /while/.
@pluralistic Which was the post where you went in depth on how that happened? The loss of privilege for programmers and how they didn't adapt to the change through unions and other social mechanisms as they ought to have.
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@po3mah @pluralistic @bagder Well, in lieu of being able to find the exact one I think this one and its links (recursively) throughout will do: https://pluralistic.net/2025/03/13/electronic-whipping/
@lispi314 Yes, Mr. Doctorov is always on the spot, my favourite reading.
Lars Marowsky-BrĂ©e đ·@bagder What the debate really needed was one more reductionist dichotomy, we should all be grateful for the courage of a rich man who stands to financially benefit from folks complying with his threats.
crazyeddie@bagder That's going to be a rather cold embrace. Enough to chill a soul into ICE. Just how a basilisk likes 'em.
*sth sth sth*
saxnot@bagder they put it on point here:
> Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
@bagder > They speak of themselves not as coders, but as "code enablers" or even "creative directors of code," Dohmke wrote in his blog.
so in other words there are even less coders now and thus lower supply for same high demand?
here in germany the companys fight over you if you can do things at the computer
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Ozzelot@bagder Well, if you got out, *out* out, and took curl with you... I'd love to see what that would do.
Alerta! Alerta!
Andreas K@heiglandreas
Not sure, but I don't think that python httpx or requests uses curl as an implementation layer.
And with the war between crawling and anti-crawling technology currently ongoing, the protocol layer while obviously relevant, is less relevant than it was a year ago. Websites you could download with simple http requests now require a headless browser, that potentially pretends to be human controlled. Sigh
@ozzelot @bagder
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Bill@bagder In the immortal words of @codinghorror: "survival is a feature." We just got to get through this.
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Jeff Atwood@htwj love this
Joakim Melin@bagder Self-hosted Gitlab looks mighty fine right about now.
Steve Purcell@joacim @bagder afaik gitlab are also integrating AI functionality. Probably forgejo (on codeberg or self-hosted) is the way to go. https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2025-05-15-gitlab-announces-gitlab-18-with-ai-native-capabilities-to-increase-developer-productivity/
Jared White (đłïžââ§ïž ally)@sanityinc @joacim @bagder I've been loving Codeberg, and Fedora recently announced they are going to move their project over to Forgejo!
đȘš@sanityinc @joacim @bagder Integrating AI functionalities is very different from shoving it down your throat and telling you you have no future if you don't use it.
I haven't looked at how Gitlab integrates it specifically, but as long as it's a non-mandatory feature that doesn't change my normal experience if I don't use it, I don't really mind.
I haven't looked at how Gitlab integrates it specifically, but as long as it's a non-mandatory feature that doesn't change my normal experience if I don't use it, I don't really mind.
@Varpie
Oh, he has to say that.
Microsoft has bet their future on AI.
They will literally force âAIâ into MS branded nappies.
It's their growth metric.
Note that they wouldn't as happy if you would be using your own deployment of a LLM as then your access counts wouldn't show up on their usage counters. That would make their growth lol not so great in their analyst calls.
As useful LLM can be (I'm not sure about the cost/benefit @bagder @sanityinc @joacim@melin.org
Cassandrich@sanityinc @joacim @bagder GitLab is more VC-brained enterprise-wishlist-chasing, AI-integrating, klunky-React-reflowing đ©.
xyhhx đ» (plz hire me)> At a Morgan Stanley conference this month, Brian Robins, finance chief for San Francisco-based software maker GitLab, said GitLab is aligned with the goals of DOGE, because the companyâs software tools aim to help people do more with less.
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> âWhat the Department of Government Efficiency is trying to do is what GitLab does,â Robins said.
oh oops, i see @dalias already saw this đ
@sanityinc @bagder Thanks. I'll have a look.
Aral Balkan@joacim @sanityinc @bagder https://codeberg.org - @Codeberg
- anti-fascist
- cooperative
- not-for-profit
- maintaining forgejo
@sanityinc it's a primary offering. alongside package registries, they have a ton of AI features đ
@joacim @bagder
@joacim @bagder
@sanityinc also it's actually a nightmare to host
QuadRadical@joacim @bagder Hmm, I'd rather selfhosted Forgejo (or Codeberg), GitLab has AI too, it's only a matter of time: https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-duo
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Grimmauld@QuadRadical @joacim @bagder You also forget the gitlab CFO is a MAGA/DOGE collaborator, see https://mas.to/@markwyner/114136898936177266 / https://archive.is/okSlz
Mark Wyner Wonât Comply :vm: (@markwyner@mas.to)
GitLab CFO, Brian Robins, says they are âaligned with the goals of DOGE, because the companyâs software tools aim to help people do more with less. What the Department of Government Efficiency is trying to do is what GitLab does.â https://archive.is/okSlz You either support fascism or you donât. Itâs binary. Thereâs no gray area or âaligning.â Considering GitLab? Donât. Use @Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de. (Hat tip @aphyr@woof.group) #Code #Dev #Development #Codeberg #GitLab #Fascism #GIT
Mark Wyner Wonât Comply :vm: (@markwyner@mas.to)
GitLab CFO, Brian Robins, says they are âaligned with the goals of DOGE, because the companyâs software tools aim to help people do more with less. What the Department of Government Efficiency is trying to do is what GitLab does.â https://archive.is/okSlz You either support fascism or you donât. Itâs binary. Thereâs no gray area or âaligning.â Considering GitLab? Donât. Use @Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de. (Hat tip @aphyr@woof.group) #Code #Dev #Development #Codeberg #GitLab #Fascism #GIT
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