daniel:// stenberg://"Embrace AI or get out"
Welcome to the out club.
Tomi the Slav and 1024 others@bagder What is wrong with software developers to tolerate this kind of bullshit?
Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'.
Wouldn't end well probably.
Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'.
Wouldn't end well probably.
Jia Tan's mom
loStronzoRocco
Matthias V@po3mah @bagder most devs do either not have the audience or even interest to play this "who cries louder" - game.
If github would mean that, they would simply cut of git access to the repos they host. Copilot can use an API and still work.
The result of this would of course be, that most people and projects will leave github for good.
I fully realize that companies do not always follow such statements to their logical conclusion.
LisPi@po3mah @bagder Lack of unions with which to tell employers to take a hike off a short pier along with a large talent pool that makes them very fungible in conjunction with decades of the industry purposely degrading and diluting skill so that workers are further fungible.
This is not a problem that happened in the span of a day. They've been actively working for this outcome for a /while/.
This is not a problem that happened in the span of a day. They've been actively working for this outcome for a /while/.
@pluralistic Which was the post where you went in depth on how that happened? The loss of privilege for programmers and how they didn't adapt to the change through unions and other social mechanisms as they ought to have.
@bagder @po3mah
@bagder @po3mah
@po3mah @pluralistic @bagder Well, in lieu of being able to find the exact one I think this one and its links (recursively) throughout will do: https://pluralistic.net/2025/03/13/electronic-whipping/
@lispi314 Yes, Mr. Doctorov is always on the spot, my favourite reading.
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷@bagder What the debate really needed was one more reductionist dichotomy, we should all be grateful for the courage of a rich man who stands to financially benefit from folks complying with his threats.
derptron@bagder That's going to be a rather cold embrace. Enough to chill a soul into ICE. Just how a basilisk likes 'em.
*sth sth sth*
Mufeed Ali@bagder I assume this means curl is moving out of GitHub? 😅 /jk
@bagder get out you say? brb, deleting my github account
samiamsamwell i hope they get out because AI is bullshit
Sean M. Collins@bagder this asshole trained his LLM on all our code, and then says thanks for the code, now drop dead.
Fuck these people
Tiota Sram@bagder feeling pretty good about having stopped using GitHub when they started contracting with ICE in ~2018 (IDR when exactly).
That said, I never did get around to deleting my account, and I feel like I should probably put some "creative" code up there just to help poison Copilot a bit.
xsk@bagder "AI is transforming software development from coding to managing and verifying AI outputs." = "You will know nothing and you will be Happy"
F4GRX Sébastien
Enema Cowboy@bagder A deadly embrace?
DJ Sexy Fresh@bagder says the company selling a coding ai product
Ozzelot 
@bagder Well, if you got out, *out* out, and took curl with you... I'd love to see what that would do.
Alerta! Alerta!
Andreas K@heiglandreas
Not sure, but I don't think that python httpx or requests uses curl as an implementation layer.
And with the war between crawling and anti-crawling technology currently ongoing, the protocol layer while obviously relevant, is less relevant than it was a year ago. Websites you could download with simple http requests now require a headless browser, that potentially pretends to be human controlled. Sigh
@ozzelot @bagder
D@bagder It's really very nice out here. We have real people talking to each other.
Bill@bagder In the immortal words of @codinghorror: "survival is a feature." We just got to get through this.
Erwin Wessels
Jeff Atwood@htwj love this
Kevin Freitas@bagder Happy to be here.
Philip Mallegol-Hansen@bagder He seems to have forgotten *we* built the club.
stopka pucharka szklanego@bagder could it have something to do with the fact that he has some ai to sell?
CgX 
@bagder yay !
Juliette@bagder I'm still waiting for the first court cases about copyright and license violations due to the use of AI.
I've yet to come across an ethically trained AI product.
Pushing a product which is based on theft of copyrighted material is the epitome of capitalist douche-bags.
cholling
Ross@jrf_nl There have already been multiple cases, but I don't think any have succeeded. For instance: https://copyrightalliance.org/andersen-v-stability-ai-copyright-case/ https://news.artnet.com/art-world/federal-judge-sides-with-ai-companies-in-artists-copyright-dispute-2387654
@Ross_ That's an interesting read. Thanks!
One of my main concerns is that GPL-ed code would "slip in" to a MIT/BSD licensed open source project without getting noticed, which could effectively be used to force projects to re-license to GPL.
Aside from this being undesirable, this also has practical implications as re-licensing needs permission from everyone who ever contributed, which can be next to impossible for "old" projects, as contributors from the early days may no longer be reachable
ScanThe club where we embrace II, Intellectual Intelligence
Jason 🍸🫧
ebrum"This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon."
ЯØ81И@bagder
Firstly, I'm not ever gonna embrace A.I even if hell freezes over.
And second; Thomas Dohmke can get in the sea!'
FoolishOwl@bagder "Each alone, they go west or north, towards the mountains. They go on. They leave Omelas, they walk ahead into the darkness, and they do not come back. The place they go towards is a place even less imaginable to most of us than the city of happiness. I cannot describe it at all. It is possible that it does not exist. But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas."
-- The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas, by Ursula K. LeGuin
Betoniusz@bagder It looks like a cool club. How can I join? 😉
ananas
Marco MolteniWhere can I join the out club ?
davidb2111@bagder embrace, extend, extinguish
das-gana veronica (@[email protected])
i am embracing AI i am embracing AI with every limb and tentacle and pseudopod and squeezing it and crushing it with every last little bit of strength i have then i will take AI back to my web to suck out the juice at my leisure, and i will wrap it in the finest silk and hang it where it will serve both as a trophy and a warning i am embracing AI
SkjeggtrollDang. It's _nice_ outside! Why didn't we do this a long time ago?
When search included AI the results reminded of something from a drugged dream.
NO AI wanted here.
bomberfish@bagder i actually used to be in the in club, but in the last month or so i realized how fun programming can be without the robot thinking for you.
Ben 🏳️⚧️🍉@bagder I've half joked about setting up the Artisanal Coder's Guild before but stuff like this makes me actually want to do it
Thomas Svensson 🖖I got out time ago and found, from a #Fediverse tip, https://codeberg.org/ to use instead of GitHub for my Open Source ideas.
The simplicity UI delivered #bliss
Thomas Frans 🇺🇦@bagder I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that GitHub has their own AI tool. Surely they aren't just trying to scare people with their "get on board or become irrelevant" talk. Surely not.
2something@thomy2000 @bagder I have actually seen a mastodon.social user unironically make that argument. Like, they really believed that the CEO of Github was just honestly unbiasedly touting the benefits of AI, independently of his financial interest.
DaCool@bagder It reminds a lot back when Google tried to shoehorn Google+ into every product of theirs, be that Gmail or YouTube.
Microsoft tries so hard, every operating system component, every software suite, every app, every webinterface has this goddamn useless AI shit shoehorned in that I gotta hide, block or remove every time.
Alex Jahan
Toni Aittoniemi@bagder Desperate calls of desperate men..
If they could sell it and make money with it, they wouldn’t have to resort to this nonsense!
Maybe they should go to the military-industrial complex. They have infinite money.
Just leave us out of it! 🙂
xyhhx 🔻@bagder as i said earlier:
xyhhx 🔻 (plz hire me) (@[email protected])
hey dohmke, go fuck yourself #github
Danny Sutcliffe@bagder we should all just start making public repositories of code written as poorly as possible to pollute AI data-sets