Eugen RochkoJul 13
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Show threadLinux Is BestJul 13

@Gargron

I want to step in and point out that there’s a lot of misinformation circulating.

Some people have been incorrectly claiming that if one country passes a certain law, then everyone — everywhere — must comply with it.

That’s not how jurisdiction works.

You’re responsible for following the laws of your own country. Your government can’t impose its laws on the entire world, and neither can any other government.

For example, if Russia suddenly requires that anyone signing up for a website must pay $5 and submit a DNA sample — but your site, and you are based in France — you’re under no obligation to comply. Russia can make whatever demands it wants, but you’re not Russian, and it’s not your responsibility to enforce their laws.

Show threadMastodon Migration6d ago

@Linux

What is particularly troubling about #Bluesky is their aggressive policy of obeying in advance all laws from any jurisdiction. They banned Turkish dissidents under this rationale, and are now preemptively doing UK ID verification. It makes one think these reasons are pretextual, or at the very least cowardly.

Show threadLinux Is Best6d ago

@mastodonmigration

Blue Sky is a corporation trying to please its shareholders.

I also don’t know where Blue Sky’s offices are. If they’re registered in a particular country, then they’re subject to that country’s jurisdiction.

But if you're running a forum or a Fediverse site, and neither you nor your server is located there, you can tell them to go to hell — because it’s not your problem.

Show threadJust a trash panda 🦝6d ago

@Linux @mastodonmigration The act applies extras territorially. So please be careful if you run a Mastodon server with UK users and have anyone involved in your team that is personally subject to UK jurisdiction.

Edit: Removed "not true" after re-reading your post.

Show threadLinux Is Best6d ago

@trashpanda @mastodonmigration

They can word it anyway they want, but they cannot enforce their laws on every nation on the planet and every citizen everywhere.

That is not how the world works.

If it did, we'd all be in deep trouble with Russia, China, and the United States dictating terms to everyone on earth.

Thankfully, it does not work that way.

Show threadJust a trash panda 🦝
@Linux @mastodonmigration I think we posted at the same time. See my post here in reply to your other post. I would be making the same counterpoint in this reply.
https://m.alittlenook.net/@trashpanda/114843291275393570
Just a trash panda 🦝 (@trashpanda@m.alittlenook.net)

@Linux@mastodon.au @Gargron@mastodon.social Counter example to your example. Don't travel if you have UK users and plan to violate the Online Safety Act. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel_Durov

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Jul 13 at 1:20amWeb
Show threadLinux Is Best6d ago

@trashpanda @mastodonmigration

He was wanted internationally for child exploitation material and drug trafficking. He also stepped into the country he was wanted in, and so fell under their jurisdiction.

That's something completely different.

Show threadJust a trash panda 🦝6d ago

@Linux @mastodonmigration The fact that he was wanted for heinous crimes is less my point. There are examples where the crime is less heinous (United States v. Bowman comes to mind as a specific example).

You would need to travel or otherwise have someone personally subject to the jurisdiction of the country, but I don't think that is so rare. Travel is common, and I am sure Bluesky has employees that fit that description.

I can't in good faith yell at people for doing a thing to avoid arrest.

Show threadLinux Is Best6d ago

@trashpanda @mastodonmigration

I'm just going to block you — goodbye.

You're fearmongering and using wild, extreme examples to argue that your country’s laws somehow magically apply to everyone on the planet. That’s not how the world works.

Show threadThe Nexus of Privacy6d ago
@trashpanda yep. It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out here in fedi.